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Jim Dollares
·One thing that most of you are missing is that Masi made a big mistake
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Jim Dollares
·if he had followed proper protocol and not gone Rogue to "Orchestrate a final racing Lap"
Lewis would be Champion and you would all be crying foul.
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kappa_md
·Both deserving with the stats they made 👍👍
But Highlander is 👍
But Highlander is 👍
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Anthony.
·Do you really think we would scream foul if standard safety car procedure was followed? In my mind I had already accepted Hamilton to win, cause there was no time to unlap all cars. Plus, given how superior the Merc was throughout the race I had the previous 40 isch laps to realise that Hamilton would win. I don't really see myself calling out Masi to cheat if he had done what they always do under safety car.
Maybe you wouldn't have Jim. But I'm sure others would have. Max on team radio when told cars would not be allowed to unlap already showed his disgust in the decision before it was changed to benefit him.
Max always seems to go off early with his opinions. Just like when he called Perez an Idiot for going off with the Tsunoda incident.
Then this week Perez is amazing for holding up Lewis. Lol...more examples of immaturity.
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Aquagraph
·I've spoken to Albert.
He's not happy with what unfolded in the final laps.
One thing that most of you are missing is that Masi made a big mistake regarding the Unlapped cars and when the safety car was called in. This is not in dispute. Hence the FIA have agreed to fully investigate.
I can't see Masi keeping his job beyond this year.
He's made some mistakes this season and it culminated to this Shit show on Sunday.
So ultimately if he had followed proper protocol and not gone Rogue to "Orchestrate a final racing Lap"
Lewis would be Champion and you would all be crying foul.
There had to be a Winner and Loser, either way someone was going to be unhappy.
I would not be crying foul at all. I get that Hamilton should have been champion on the basis of that race which he deserved to win. But, over the season Max deserved it more, so while it is not how I would have liked it to go, there were other times where Max was hard done by... at the end of the day Max and Red Bull didn't do anything wrong and the FIA suck. Sometimes the Champion isn't always the best driver over the year, in this case it was.
If the FIA would have followed the rules and finished behind the safety car, well fair enough, Hamilton had him beat anyway.
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Jim Dollares
·Maybe you wouldn't have Jim. But I'm sure others would have. Max on team radio when told cars would not be allowed to unlap already showed his disgust in the decision before it was changed to benefit him.
Max always seems to go off early with his opinions. Just like when he called Perez an Idiot for going off with the Tsunoda incident.
Then this week Perez is amazing for holding up Lewis. Lol...more examples of immaturity.
Joking aside though, I think we have talked about this before but I don't take Max's outbursts as serious as others do. To me it is part of the appeal of the Max package, brutally honest, zero f's given and just shows up to do one thing: WIN. I admire this. Do I agree with all his stupid statements, of course not. Yes he is a lot more immature than other drivers in some scenarios. Or... rather he sometimes lacks the filter to not say what he is thinking. Of course Hamilton and all the others think the same things. Hamilton has 15 years in F1 now and who knows, maybe Max will be the same politically correct polished media trained PR product and inoffensive marketing face as Hamilton in 9 years. I hope not, the showing of emotion and passion is part of the appeal in my eyes.
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Anthony.
·Yes probably right, few would react as me. After all, I am such an amazing wonderful, mature person I am able to look at the world in a brilliant way.
Joking aside though, I think we have talked about this before but I don't take Max's outbursts as serious as others do. To me it is part of the appeal of the Max package, brutally honest, zero f's given and just shows up to do one thing: WIN. I admire this. Do I agree with all his stupid statements, of course not. Yes he is a lot more immature than other drivers in some scenarios. Or... rather he sometimes lacks the filter to not say what he is thinking. Of course Hamilton and all the others think the same things. Hamilton has 15 years in F1 now and who knows, maybe Max will be the same politically correct polished media trained PR product and inoffensive marketing face as Hamilton in 9 years. I hope not, the showing of emotion and passion is part of the appeal in my eyes.
Yes buddy...I know where you are Coming from.
Experience is the Key. I don't like the political side of Lewis.
I don't think there needs to be this Political correctness and Wokrness in any sport. Most people just want to enjoy the spectacle without the Bullshit. Sport is Sport and Politics has no place in it.
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·I’m wondering why Hamilton didn’t pit twice given a virtual safety car and a late safety car.. I think these were the missed opportunities by Mercedes which handed Red Bull one of the best race strategies IMHO and ofcourse Max’s brilliant and flawless overtake.
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·I’m wondering why Hamilton didn’t pit twice given a virtual safety car and a late safety car.. I think these were the missed opportunities by Mercedes which handed Red Bull one of the best race strategies IMHO and ofcourse Max’s brilliant and flawless overtake.
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·I’m wondering why Hamilton didn’t pit twice given a virtual safety car and a late safety car.. I think these were the missed opportunities by Mercedes which handed Red Bull one of the best race strategies IMHO and ofcourse Max’s brilliant and flawless overtake.
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·Everybody want to say something about the rules but people easily forget that not everybody is the referee (in this case, race director & stewards) So I have no issue with the FIA on how they managed this. Might be trivial but our take doesn’t matter, only opinions (or internet chatter) All sports have controversial referee decisions, whether we like it or not. Red Bull made a good strategy decision changing to soft tires (and Mercedes didn’t) and Max was able to overtake Lewis (no drama there) It sounded like it was just easy and obvious but actually it was extremely diffuclt to achieve, so now people just parrot and blame the FIA.
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·He couldn't as Max would have done the opposite of what he did. Both incidents effectively allowed Verstappen to get an advantage on Lewis, whatever he would have done.
So it means, in whatever scenario Max was on the upper hand. I thought Max was on the losing stages when the gap was increasing but LUCK played also a big part to Max & Red Bull’s hands and they executed their strategy well. Remember chaotic races in Monza? Pierre Gasly & DaniRic winning both in Monza after luck also handed them their wins 😉😉 No one can argue about luck so others don’t make a talking point out it 😗
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·Everybody want to say something about the rules but people easily forget that not everybody is the referee (in this case, race director & stewards) So I have no issue with the FIA on how they managed this. Might be trivial but our take doesn’t matter, only opinions (or internet chatter) All sports have controversial referee decisions, whether we like it or not. Red Bull made a good strategy decision changing to soft tires (and Mercedes didn’t) and Max was able to overtake Lewis (no drama there) It sounded like it was just easy and obvious but actually it was extremely diffuclt to achieve, so now people just parrot and blame the FIA.
True! In my point of view the principles of the two leading teams also are, to a certain degree, involved in the current situation. It was after the collision in Silverstone that Masi was expected to take a decision based on an internal rule of the Mercedes team! During the last laps of last weekendˋs race both Horner and Wolff started a kind of Masi-
bashing to push him into the direction of their own opinions so that their driver could benefit. What did they expect? Even of you throw a coin you will only have one upper side…
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Jim Dollares
·The orange smoke of victory
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·One thing I will say, if the roles were reversed, Hamilton would have passed Max and been champion. And he would see it the way Max sees it and Max would see it like Hamilton sees it.
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Pitfitter446
·Some you win, some you lose, bite the bullet and move on, no one got physically hurt so no foul. Life’s too short to worry about it.
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·Yes probably right, few would react as me. After all, I am such an amazing wonderful, mature person I am able to look at the world in a brilliant way.
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Yago
·One thing I will say, if the roles were reversed, Hamilton would have passed Max and been champion. And he would see it the way Max sees it and Max would see it like Hamilton sees it.
I don’t agree with track position during the first VSC. It was a gamble. Had only Lewis pitted he would have had an easy go at Max on older tyres with so many laps left. On the last SC they were indeed blocked.
The removal of Latifi’s car took way too long. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had this miserable discussion and Merc’s strategy would have been blamed.
Now you have Toto claiming Merc were robbed by Masi, that he and Lewis may never get over this and how he can’t confirm Lewis will even return next season and all that rubbish. An ego too big to fail.
Merc has had everything going their way for the last decade, including this season right upto the last race. Toto now complaining there should be better rules while he was at the negotiation table and is in fact the king influencer of Masi. Calling him during the last race to not deploy a safety car to protect his interest while endangering people on the track. What a farce.
Rules are abused before they are changed. Let’s also change the ridiculous 10 place grid drop for an engine swap. Or that these don’t even count in the budget cap. Where would Merc have been this season without those favourable rules?
Max immature? What maturity do we expect from 24 year olds these days? It’s not a requirement to become WC. Remember Rossi?
A lot of people blame Max for being outspoken. He says he’s the best simply because he believes he is. Toto and Lewis also believe they are, but lie about it and get praise.
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·Rules are abused before they are changed. Let’s also change the ridiculous 10 place grid drop for an engine swap. Or that these don’t even count in the budget cap. Where would Merc have been this season without those favourable rules?
I saw somewhere someone said each time you have an extra engine it should cost more places. Which is an idea.
I don't see how they can get rid of grid penalties unless you don't have an engine limit and we all know that isn't going to happen.
