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·Zenith even has a more "prestigious" past than Hublot so why is Hublot the top tier among the three? I get that you have precious metals, diamonds etc that can make the watch very "luxurious" and "expensive"
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·A lot cheaper than RM, but still expensive...
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·Nobody buys those anyway. Big Bang all the way, I tried one on and it was gorgeous.
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·Dude, Hublot is so much more than just precious metals and diamonds. The meca 10, the MP's, insanely cool full sapphire creations etc. Just looking at the Hublot lineup, technical achievements, movements it makes full sense to me that they are top tier above Zenith.
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·Nobody buys those anyway. Big Bang all the way, I tried one on and it was gorgeous.
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·Look, Hublot even has a model that would be perfect for Vettel when he does his gay parades during race weekends 👍
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38mm, nice!
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·Yes the Spirit models are a bit more rare out in the wild. Personally I prefer the design of them over the round Big bangs, wouldn't mind rocking a sapphire cased Spirit of Big Bang on the weekends 😝
The next thing we know, we have “Spirit of Carrera” and “Spirit of Monaco” in the pipeline 😲😲
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·The next thing we know, we have “Spirit of Carrera” and “Spirit of Monaco” in the pipeline 😲😲
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·I guess the GRAND Carrera was sort of a Spirit deviation of the Carrera line 😁
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·What do you think of Hublot?
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·This whole idea of a young hotshoe joining a team to learn at a Champion's knee - has that ever actually worked? Seems like it goes like this...
Team Principal: We'd like you to join our championship winning team, but... we kind need you to support our main driver for a year or two until he retires, of course then you would be in the perfect position to take over and become champion.
Young Hotshoe: Cool!
Team principal: Fantastic. We'd like to keep you on a one year rolling contract though, I mean - it's a formality, did I mention the pay is excellent.
Young Hotshoe: Oh, okay, and I get a nice car right?
18 months later...
Team principal: We're really happy with your commitment to the team and you've helped our main driver secure two more titles. He's decided he's going to do another 1-2 seasons, I trust we can count on you to support him in securing another two titles?
Young Hotshoe: FFS, really.... (begrudging compliance) well, okay but then I get to take over right?
Team principal: Oh yes, absolutely...
18 months later...
Team principal: So our main driver is leaving at the end of the year, and we want you to stay... but we're not 100% convinced that you have the 'killer instinct' that's required to be WDC (since you've been another driver's bitch for 4 years), so we're signing Alonso who just came out of retirement again, okay?
Team Principal: We'd like you to join our championship winning team, but... we kind need you to support our main driver for a year or two until he retires, of course then you would be in the perfect position to take over and become champion.
Young Hotshoe: Cool!
Team principal: Fantastic. We'd like to keep you on a one year rolling contract though, I mean - it's a formality, did I mention the pay is excellent.
Young Hotshoe: Oh, okay, and I get a nice car right?
18 months later...
Team principal: We're really happy with your commitment to the team and you've helped our main driver secure two more titles. He's decided he's going to do another 1-2 seasons, I trust we can count on you to support him in securing another two titles?
Young Hotshoe: FFS, really.... (begrudging compliance) well, okay but then I get to take over right?
Team principal: Oh yes, absolutely...
18 months later...
Team principal: So our main driver is leaving at the end of the year, and we want you to stay... but we're not 100% convinced that you have the 'killer instinct' that's required to be WDC (since you've been another driver's bitch for 4 years), so we're signing Alonso who just came out of retirement again, okay?
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·Is this story about Bottas? I just want to confirm 🍿
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·Sorry, I really meant generally.... there is a lot of Hublot hate out there. I think it's because they are a) modern, b) expensive c) not Richard Mille. Plus maybe there is a bit of carry over from the TAG Heuer hate. It's like TAG's more expensive brother.
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·What an absolute d*ck. Me and Jim have been discussing this video in the PMs. The comments are funny, every third one is like...
Adrian: I like the underdog and shy away from anything popular
Also Adrian: Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex.
His argument is flawed, arguing value for money in Swiss watches is a nonsense, there is no value. Rolex are massively overpriced relative to the materials. The inherent value in Rolex is their marketing and value retention. Nobody cares if they pay £9000 for a steel diver if it is worth more preowned, it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't worth £9000 in the first place.
Richard Milles aren't worth £100's of thousands either, but they sell like hot cakes. In fact they only really took off when RM inflated the prices massively, and this isn't an uncommon story in the luxury goods market - it is perceived value vs actual value.
Fact nobody ever came up to someone wearing a Hamilton and said, 'Oooh is that a Hamilton'? Well, very few.... and only other watch nerds.
It's always possible to bash a brand for overpricing, but you either promote your brand with ambassadors and football teams / F1 teams and charge accordingly or you don't and charge much less but sell less watches and have less brand equity.
Of course you can argue that people are 'stupid' to pay £10k for a Hublot, but if it appeals to them then there must be a reason. The usual answer is to say, but why would you buy that Hublot Big Bang when you could buy this Vacheron Constantin with beautiful finishing and it's so much more 'tasteful'.... which presupposes that the VC is more appealing visually, when the person that wants a Big Bang probably likes it because it isn't tasteful and because it has a carbon fibre dial etc etc. It's like saying to someone who wants to buy a Lamborghini, oh but you could get a Maserati, which is so much more tasteful. The guy wants a Lambo because it's bright orange and it has an aeroplane wing on the back, and it is the ultimate in snobbery in my opinion to belittle his aesthetic choices.
Of course you can argue that that Hublot has an ETA movement, so it's overpriced - but again this comes down to the value not being the sum of it's material parts. This guy also thinks Tudor are amazing value, but Tudor still probably make a fortune on their (also overpriced) watches.
There has to be goods for every price range, because people equate cost with status, we're not talking about watch nerds here, general customers. Is a £10,000 watch five times better than a £2000 watch - of course not. Is a £2000 watch 5 times better than a £400 watch, almost certainly not. Is a £400 watch five times better than a £80 watch, I doubt it.
Luxury goods just don't work the way other goods work. If you have a £400 handbag and you make it £800 more people want it because it's perceived to be 'better', whether it is or not really doesn't matter.
Also YouTube channels play to the gallery, his viewers are all Rolex fanboys, of course he's going to say Hublot sucks cos that's what they want to hear.
Adrian: I like the underdog and shy away from anything popular
Also Adrian: Rolex Rolex Rolex Rolex.
His argument is flawed, arguing value for money in Swiss watches is a nonsense, there is no value. Rolex are massively overpriced relative to the materials. The inherent value in Rolex is their marketing and value retention. Nobody cares if they pay £9000 for a steel diver if it is worth more preowned, it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't worth £9000 in the first place.
Richard Milles aren't worth £100's of thousands either, but they sell like hot cakes. In fact they only really took off when RM inflated the prices massively, and this isn't an uncommon story in the luxury goods market - it is perceived value vs actual value.
Fact nobody ever came up to someone wearing a Hamilton and said, 'Oooh is that a Hamilton'? Well, very few.... and only other watch nerds.
It's always possible to bash a brand for overpricing, but you either promote your brand with ambassadors and football teams / F1 teams and charge accordingly or you don't and charge much less but sell less watches and have less brand equity.
Of course you can argue that people are 'stupid' to pay £10k for a Hublot, but if it appeals to them then there must be a reason. The usual answer is to say, but why would you buy that Hublot Big Bang when you could buy this Vacheron Constantin with beautiful finishing and it's so much more 'tasteful'.... which presupposes that the VC is more appealing visually, when the person that wants a Big Bang probably likes it because it isn't tasteful and because it has a carbon fibre dial etc etc. It's like saying to someone who wants to buy a Lamborghini, oh but you could get a Maserati, which is so much more tasteful. The guy wants a Lambo because it's bright orange and it has an aeroplane wing on the back, and it is the ultimate in snobbery in my opinion to belittle his aesthetic choices.
Of course you can argue that that Hublot has an ETA movement, so it's overpriced - but again this comes down to the value not being the sum of it's material parts. This guy also thinks Tudor are amazing value, but Tudor still probably make a fortune on their (also overpriced) watches.
There has to be goods for every price range, because people equate cost with status, we're not talking about watch nerds here, general customers. Is a £10,000 watch five times better than a £2000 watch - of course not. Is a £2000 watch 5 times better than a £400 watch, almost certainly not. Is a £400 watch five times better than a £80 watch, I doubt it.
Luxury goods just don't work the way other goods work. If you have a £400 handbag and you make it £800 more people want it because it's perceived to be 'better', whether it is or not really doesn't matter.
Also YouTube channels play to the gallery, his viewers are all Rolex fanboys, of course he's going to say Hublot sucks cos that's what they want to hear.
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·Blimey, that video certainly touched a nerve with you Rob! 😗
I agree with you up to a point - that JLC is a different watch entirely. But I can also see the point he's making - that comparing to watches like that is why Hublot attracts a certain amount of hate from the watch community. I was certainly unimpressed with the level of finishing on that Hublot in the video considering the price it costs.
I agree with you up to a point - that JLC is a different watch entirely. But I can also see the point he's making - that comparing to watches like that is why Hublot attracts a certain amount of hate from the watch community. I was certainly unimpressed with the level of finishing on that Hublot in the video considering the price it costs.
