2020: F1 Discussions

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This wasn’t LH’s first race weekend so if he doesn’t know the rules by now he never will, only saw a small bit of the highlights (getting ready for the pub::psy::) but I don’t think I missed much.
 
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This wasn’t LH’s first race weekend so if he doesn’t know the rules by now he never will, only saw a small bit of the highlights (getting ready for the pub::psy::) but I don’t think I missed much.

I think the problem is the rules on this are different at different tracks, but having said that they surely must be told and if the team don't know the rules, well... the irony is if this would have happened to say Vettel, then the tinfoil hat brigade would be claiming it was deliberate, but I can't see Merc handicapping their golden boy so that Bottas can win a race for a change.
 
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Another instance of commentator bias was DCs dismissal of Stroll 'losing it' on cold tyres... and then having to correct himself when it became apparent that LeClerc had thumped him from behind. Contrast this with anytime Lewis laps at less than the absolute maximum 'he must be nursing a problem with the car'. I'm really starting to dislike DC.
To be fair, I assumed Strohl had lost it by himself too... 😟
It must be tough for Bottas, not only does he get beaten every week, but he also has to answer to the media every week. But chirping about your victory when you had it handed to you was foolish. I expect memes.
Bottas could have mentioned that Lewis may have had a 10 second penalty - but that he beat him by 17 seconds. So there's that I guess...
 
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Bottas could have mentioned that Lewis may have had a 10 second penalty - but that he beat him by 17 seconds. So there's that I guess...

Yeah, he could have - but everyone would have laughed at him.
 
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Can you believe that guy?

 
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Hi Guys! 😁::psy::
The real caption is:
😁 Thanks FIA Stewards!! ::psy::
 
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Did you see that one of the stewards (Mika Salo) said that Hamiliton is 'full of sh*t' regarding his 'Stewards are out to stop me' outburst?
 
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Bottas is probably a really nice guy and I'm happy for him that he is earning big bucks doing what he loves, but when one car dominates we need a better driver in that seat.
 
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Did you see that one of the stewards (Mika Salo) said that Hamiliton is 'full of sh*t' regarding his 'Stewards are out to stop me' outburst?
😁 Surely, as a driver, Salo would have said the same against the Stewards had he been in Hamilton's position 😁
 
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Bottas is probably a really nice guy and I'm happy for him that he is earning big bucks doing what he loves, but when one car dominates we need a better driver in that seat.
Yes, but as a team, why change it? Normally in the race he is just behind Hamilton, he was World Runner-up just behind Hamilton, they get along well, they do not collide with each other, they respect each other, it’s an easy couple for Toto Wolff to manage, and they are winning everything.

In qualy Bottas really makes it difficult for the driver with most Pole Positions in history, so he is fast!... only in the race does he lack punch, but why would the team risk changing a winning and well-matched pair? Toto's job is to bring home results and Titles, not to amuse the fans because his drivers fight and collide with each other.
 
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Toto's job is to bring home results and Titles, not to amuse the fans because his drivers fight and collide with each other.

This is absolutely correct, of course, but it does not make for a good 'show' and that is why we end up with calls for reverse grids etc. If we had two top drivers fighting it out every weekend the 'show' would take care of itself.
 
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Toto's job is to bring home results and Titles, not to amuse the fans because his drivers fight and collide with each other.

This is absolutely correct, of course, but it does not make for a good 'show' and that is why we end up with calls for reverse grids etc. If we had two top drivers fighting it out every weekend the 'show' would take care of itself.

Yes, but I don't think it's Toto's responsibility to make F1 more entertaining by choosing a more controversial driver pair. At least Mercedes lets its drivers fight, not like in the days of Ferrari dominance with Schumacher and his contract slaves (Irvine, Barrichello and Massa). It is the organizers' job to make a technical regulation that allows more spectacle and overtaking, and it is also the work of the rest of the teams and drivers to do better to present battle to Mercedes. But Mercedes is doing its job perfectly and by letting its drivers compete with each other, they cannot be asked to stop doing well so that we can have fun as spectators.
 
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I agree, we do indeed need regulations that promote competition, unfortunately the need to be seen as environmentally responsible seems to be locking teams in to their performance window since they can't change much throughout the year, 3 engines, no testing etc etc.

Liberty Media must be wondering how the TV companies will value the sport when the contracts will come up for renewal, I think that is what will drive changes in the future.
 
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I can't help but think that if Bernie was still in charge, he would have applied pressure to change things by now. He knew his 'product' was dependent on bums on seats and if people got bored and stopped watching it would affect his income...I think Liberty Media will struggle to do that because they don't have the deep level of influence that Bernie had.
 
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I can't help but think that if Bernie was still in charge, he would have applied pressure to change things by now. He knew his 'product' was dependent on bums on seats and if people got bored and stopped watching it would affect his income...I think Liberty Media will struggle to do that because they don't have the deep level of influence that Bernie had.
Maybe he would have tried it, but also the boring (much more than now!) Ferrari dominance years with Schumacher and his slaves, and also the not very exciting Red Bull dominance years with Vettel were under Bernie’s management, and he couldn’t change it, so it should not be easy to solve... because it also depends on the rest of teams and drivers.

There are other championships with BOP systems (GT, WEC), ballast (DTM), reverse grids (F2), but F1 is more pure sports: everybody is racing with same technical regulations, and the faster driver&car starts the race from the first position, with the rest of the drivers also starting the race ordered according to their performance, so in theory a F1 race could perfectly end in the same order in which it started, and without a single overtaking. It has always been like this, and only the unforeseen events or problems that have pushed drivers out of their natural position have provided comebacks and more lively races.

The reversed grid is an artificial way of giving excitement to the race, but with current F1 cars so difficult to overtake (and more depending on the circuit), I don't think it was the most fair or sporty. It can be valid for “school categories”, but not for the highest category of motorsport, where pure performance must prevail
 
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Maybe he would have tried it, but also the boring (much more than now!) Ferrari dominance years with Schumacher and his slaves, and also the not very exciting Red Bull dominance years with Vettel were under Bernie’s management, and he couldn’t change it, so it should not be easy to solve... because it also depends on the rest of teams and drivers.

True, the difference though is Vettel's reign lasted only 4 years, and in two of those seasons he only won 5 races. So it seemed boring, but actually it wasn't nearly as bad as what we are getting now. Schumacher's run is more comparable to the current situation in terms of wins, but as you rightly say - it was worse because you knew Barichello wasn't allowed to fight at all (whereas Bottas is 'sort of' allowed to fight 'sometimes', but he's too damn chicken to actually try).

There are other championships with BOP systems (GT, WEC), ballast (DTM), reverse grids (F2), but F1 is more pure sports: everybody is racing with same technical regulations, and the faster driver&car starts the race from the first position, with the rest of the drivers also starting the race ordered according to their performance, so in theory a F1 race could perfectly end in the same order in which it started, and without a single overtaking. It has always been like this, and only the unforeseen events or problems that have pushed drivers out of their natural position have provided comebacks and more lively races.

Again, all true, but the need for running the engines well away from 100% and the subsequent loss of failures means that area of unpredictability has largely been removed. In the past it was all about extracting the most from the car, now it's about managing everything and only driving as fast as necessary because 'we need to use this engine eight more times'. It's no wonder people bleat on about the good old days of Mansell and qualifying engines is it? I'm not saying that was a good thing, but I think we've gone way too far the other way with engines that no one except multinational corporations can build that have to be preserved and massaged rather than raced. I bet Senna would have loathed F1 in it's current form.

The reversed grid is an artificial way of giving excitement to the race, but with current F1 cars so difficult to overtake (and more depending on the circuit), I don't think it was the most fair or sporty. It can be valid for “school categories”, but not for the highest category of motorsport, where pure performance must prevail

I don't think anyone actually thinks reverse grids will ever happen, I think it is a threat to try and bring the top teams into line and accept that they must surrender some of their dominance for the good of the sport. Besides, F1 is what F1 is and unless they were qualifying blind (not knowing if the grid was reversed or not) then they would all be driving pathetically slowly and making a mockery of the whole thing. You only have to look at recent qualifying events to see what the teams and drivers are capable of...
 
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(much more than now!)
seriously? 7th year of total Mercedes dominance and 7 of the most boring F1 years. Ferrari never had that, not even in the '50s.
 
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seriously? 7th year of total Mercedes dominance and 7 of the most boring F1 years. Ferrari never had that, not even in the '50s.
I found the Schumacher/Ferrari years very boring indeed, much more boring than now. It's not necessarily about the length of time, but the manner of it. Despite Mercedes dominance, there have been other battles and goings on to keep the attention. We've had some really exciting races this year I think.
 
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I don't know if it was born out by figures, but it felt like the Ferrari's were so much faster than everyone else, whereas now at least you feel Max can get on the front row sometimes...