2020: F1 Discussions

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It has been 24 years since a Frenchman stood in the TOP podium in F1! Great Job Pierre Gasly! ::rimshot::


Good to see both McLaren in the TOP 5 in this race! A great tribute to Bruce McLaren who passed away 50 years ago! (1937-1970) Even with just 4 F1 GP wins, his name lives on all over the world synonymous with supercars and F1 👍
looks like a GT2 podium 😉
 
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Luck? You can count the points advantage he could have now (68 vs Bottas and 72 vs Max instead of current 47 and 54) without that Haas parking there, or without that unnecessary Safety Car, or without that badly signaled Pit Lane closed entry... is that luck? 😉 He had the victory totally under control and was taken away from him with an unfair penalty 🤔

No, it’s Gasly who had luck today and won the lottery of the Safety Car and the closed Pit Lane Entry. Hamilton deserved the victory, and Sainz the 2nd position, but Gasly was really lucky! Congratulations anyway!



I’m not sure it did have a negative effect on Mercedes: Hamilton was very comfortably leading the race until the SC, and after the penalty his comeback was impressive in this track where overtaking is not easy, and with the aero settings designed to be leading the race (= not high maximum speed)... but probably it did have effect on Red Bull! 😲 With Albon finishing in the last position, and Max in his worst qualy of the year and with his worst pace and race position of the year until the DNF

But on the upside it turned it from a race no one would ever remember into a race that no one will ever forget. F1 needs races like this now and again to stop everybody completely losing faith.
 
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146 races since a non-Merc, Ferrari or Red Bull won. What a joke, so basically if you are in a top team you are basically only racing 5 other guys, one of whom is Albon and one of whom is Bottas. Say no more!
 
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Amazing race- and I'm very pleased for Gasly who had an incredibly tough run with Red Bull last year- he's fought back very well and had a great year.
 
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Seems like redemption for Gasly! 👍 Max is really a supreme talent who can fight his way to the Mercs given a different package. It's very hard to be a teammate of Max in terms of performance so I guess everyone of his teammate felt the pressure (Gasly, Albon and even Ricciardo!) The limelight, the pressure and the drama within Red Bull collapse all over Gasly and thus he wasn’t able to show his true potential. Both Leclerc & Gasly were good friends of Hubert and both their wins at Monza seemed to be providential 😉

Hubert, Leclerc, Ocon & Gasly
 
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Here's another official recap
 
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You know, from my time on F1 forums (which I really can't be bothered with anymore) there are (generally) two types of F1 fans. There are those who want to be 'entertained' to at least some degree and those who don't watch the race so much as watch the timing screens. One of those people once told me that the perfect F1 race would be one where the cars qualify in order of fastest to slowest and spread out accordingly during the race with no overtaking... and I think that's when I gave up trying to talk to these people. What these people fail to appreciate is that all the money that comes in to facilitate 'their' beloved sport, comes ultimately from the great unwashed public that they despise so much. You know, the ones who think 'reverse grids' are a good idea.

But the 'great unwashed' get bored of seeing domination so something has to change, cue much wailing and grinding of teeth from the cognoscenti about 'dumbing down' and 'corrupting the DNA of the sport'. Problem is, in the old days the other teams at least had a chance to make changes, to test and run their wind tunnels 24hrs a day, now everything is locked down so hard that if you start the season with a rubbish car, you'll end it with one, having declared after three races that you are going to concentrate on next year.

And the real problem comes when when one team dominates year in year out, before this season even started it was just a given that Hamilton would be World Champion, not even an odds on favourite, just a fact waiting to happen. Mainly because despite all the talk of Bottas 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 literally no one believes he can beat Hamilton over a season. No one even thinks he's going to get close, hell probably win 2-3 races at best... at least when Schumacher was winning Barichello was close enough that they had to ask him to move over now and again.

Some people suspect Sunday was a deliberate attempt to give the viewers something to cheer about and to stop them leaving a sinking ship. I wouldn't go that far but you do have to wonder how many more years of one man winning virtually unchallenged the 'nominally interested' viewer can take. Which is a worry for the new owners of the sport.

Liberty Media aren't as clever as they think they are, but they have pushed through changes which mean they no longer need unanimous agreement for changes (such as reverse grids) to happen - they still need 8 of the 10 teams to agree, however... which means changes probably still won't come and we'll hear Ross Brawn talking about how frustrated he is ad nauseam while nothing really changes.

I don't really think people want F1 to turn into IndyCar with yellows for no reason other than to make the race interesting, but I think the domination game has reached 'critical mass', 4 years is domination - 7 years is plain tedious for all but the most ardent supporter (Albert in other words) and sooner or later something will have to change.
 
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In this day & age, people are getting bored & agitated with all these lockdown, restrictions, travel bans etc. brought about by a pangolin-bat! People who used to travel alot are stuck at home. Even movies in theaters are prohibited. Paranoia creeps in. People want to feel alive and whether you are a fan of the sport (F1) or not, if weekly races will keep you sane & excited to watch over and over, then Formula 1 gained itself a new F1 fan instantly. LM should capitalize on billions of people stuck at home watching TV / Internet with nothing else to do.

Just a side note, people are starved-stricken of anything sports. Netflix’s “The Last Dance” miniseries was launched at the height of COVID. Boom! It INSTANTLY became the “most-viewed documentary ever for ESPN” 😲 Talk about opportune time in a pandemic crisis. Just my 2 cents 😁
 
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I've watched a lot of motorsport over lockdown, some of it virtual!, most of it more entertaining than F1, the cars are so technically advanced that if you're in front of the game at the start of the year, it's probably season over, small teams haven't the resources to compete with the top 2/3 constructors. I'm a luditte? when it comes to race cars- big engines, simple suspension, minimal aero package and no pitstops, lots of overtaking and/or wheel to wheel action. I watched the "highlights" from the weekend and there weren't many, an hour was too long a programme. I've watched 2cv racing at Knockhill, not fast but close action, that's what race fans want,excitement, and not on pay to watch.
 
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Mainly because despite all the talk of Bottas 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 literally no one believes he can beat Hamilton over a season. No one even thinks he's going to get close, hell probably win 2-3 races at best... at least when Schumacher was winning Barichello was close enough that they had to ask him to move over now and again
At least Bottas is allowed to fight with Hamilton (as Nico Rosberg was), and in fact he started the season leading the Championship. When Bottas beats Hamilton in Qualy (he was just 0.069s slower in Monza!) and starts the race from Pole Position, Bottas is probably winning the race and beating Hamilton, something that Barrichello, Massa, and Irvine had forbidden under contract when they were Schumacher team mates. Do you really think that Ferrari domination era with team orders since race 1 to favour Schumacher, was better? I think that was a really boring era 🥱, because you knew which cars were to finish the race first and second, and in which order, because it was written in the contract... at least Mercedes allows their drivers to compete with each other. And yes, Hamilton is better over a season... are we to blame him for it?
I think the domination game has reached 'critical mass', 4 years is domination - 7 years is plain tedious for all but the most ardent supporter (Albert in other words) and sooner or later something will have to change.
😁 Yes, I’m enjoying these 7 years a lot, because my favorite team is winning 🥰. I can't get tired of winning! 😉 Nor have I tired of seeing Marc Marquez win in MotoGP year after year (6 Titles in MotoGP, and 2 in smaller categories), or Sebastien Loeb in rallys (9 WRC Titles), because they are my favorites

I can understand that fans from other F1 teams are tired of this domination, but when with the same rules for everyone, Mercedes does it better, are we to blame them for it? Or punish them for being the best, adding ballast only to their car, or to their best driver? I don’t think so.

Blame those who, with even more budget (like Ferrari), have been unable to beat Mercedes in seven years. New technical and budget regulation changes in 2022 can certainly change the current situation... but until then, I plan to enjoy it to the fullest! 😉
 
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At least Bottas is allowed to fight with Hamilton (as Nico Rosberg was), and in fact he started the season leading the Championship. When Bottas beats Hamilton in Qualy (he was just 0.069s slower in Monza!) and starts the race from Pole Position, Bottas is probably winning the race and beating Hamilton, something that Barrichello, Massa, and Irvine had forbidden under contract when they were Schumacher team mates. Do you really think that Ferrari domination era with team orders since race 1 to favour Schumacher, was better? I think that was a really boring era 🥱, because you knew which cars were to finish the race first and second, and in which order, because it was written in the contract... at least Mercedes allows their drivers to compete with each other. And yes, Hamilton is better over a season... are we to blame him for it?

😁 Yes, I’m enjoying these 7 years a lot, because my favorite team is winning 🥰. I can't get tired of winning! 😉 Nor have I tired of seeing Marc Marquez win in MotoGP year after year (6 Titles in MotoGP, and 2 in smaller categories), or Sebastien Loeb in rallys (9 WRC Titles), because they are my favorites

I can understand that fans from other F1 teams are tired of this domination, but when with the same rules for everyone, Mercedes does it better, are we to blame them for it? Or punish them for being the best, adding ballast only to their car, or to their best driver? I don’t think so.

Blame those who, with even more budget (like Ferrari), have been unable to beat Mercedes in seven years. New technical and budget regulation changes in 2022 can certainly change the current situation... but until then, I plan to enjoy it to the fullest! 😉

It seemed damned boring at the time, but it didn't last as long and it wasn't as relentless. 2001, 2002 and 2004 were all walkovers, but Mika could have won in 2000 and Kimi could have won in 2003, so we never had more than two years of tedium in one go.

I never realised Button did so well in the BAR in 2004, third in the WDC even though his best result was second place.

Even in 2004, widely perceived as the height of the tedium, in a season of 18 races three different drivers not driving Ferraris won races!

I don't blame Mercedes, I blame the FIA for stupid regulations which mean no one can really fight back or change their course during the year. I just find it hard to swallow all the 'Lewis is God' nonsense when he only has to beat two people, one of whom is clearly inferior and one of whom is in an inferior car. Again that's not Lewis' fault, but of course it makes him the 'greatest driver ever'.

Maybe he genuinely is, but winning season after season without much in the way of competition proves nothing to me.
 
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I love F1 and I never get bored of it. I don't know why. There's more going on in each race than just who wins. And everything happens within the context of a deep history of relentless change and development. I don't like Liberty Media though, and I definitely don't want F1 to turn into Indycar.
 
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at least Mercedes allows their drivers to compete with each other
Is this reeeeally true though? When they are able to race they get stuff like "stay off the curbs" and "only use mode X" etc. I think that if Bottas ever became a serious threat for Lewis they would not allow anything to take away their journey towards beating every record in the book
 
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Is this reeeeally true though? When they are able to race they get stuff like "stay off the curbs" and "only use mode X" etc. I think that if Bottas ever became a serious threat for Lewis they would not allow anything to take away their journey towards beating every record in the book

Sooooooooo cynical. But yeah, Rosberg already screwed things up once for them!
 
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Ferrari’s 1000th Grand Prix @ Scuderia Ferrari’s own race track 😉

I’m not really expecting Ferrari to have some sort of “homecourt advantage” 😁 But we’ll see. Hoping for another exciting and wildly unexpected race! 👍
 
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This is the special Livery they will be sporting at Mugello
 
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😲😲😲 Looks like Stroll & Vettel will be teammates in 2021!
 
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Good move from Vettel. Has the chance to jump into a competitive car and with a great brand AND with a teammate who shouldn't worry him too much
 
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Great news for Vettel, but bad news for Perez Latin America.

All eyes will be on Racing Point next year to see if they can deliver with Vettel and Aston Martin as a premier sponsor.