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2020: F1 Discussions
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Albert-AMG
··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorI think Bottas would enjoy being in a team where he gets more than a one year at a time contract, and where he's the clear no.1 driver. Even if it's a slightly less good team. But Mercedes must be a drug that's hard to kick, even if it's killing him inside a little.
The problem is that Bottas would need a better car than Hamilton's to beat him, and since there is no better car at the moment, his best option is to have the same car as Hamilton... because his problem is not the team where he is, which is the best, but that Hamilton is better than him throughout the season, even if in some particular race Bottas may dispute a Pole Position or a win, Hamilton's consistency is decisive
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·A Pole for Bottas might not turn into a Win
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A Pole for Hamilton might be a certain Win
They technically have the same car. So in conlusion, it boils down to more race-experience and better driver’s skills. 😲😲
Even F1 commentator Martin Brundle said after the restart of the safety car “Get on Bottas, Give us a Race!” 😵💫😵💫
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A Pole for Hamilton might be a certain Win
They technically have the same car. So in conlusion, it boils down to more race-experience and better driver’s skills. 😲😲
Even F1 commentator Martin Brundle said after the restart of the safety car “Get on Bottas, Give us a Race!” 😵💫😵💫
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Yago
·From The Guardian:
‘Lewis Hamilton has admitted that were he only a fan of Formula One he would probably tune in just for highlights of races given the dominance he and Mercedes are demonstrating this season.
After a controlled victory at the Belgian GP, Hamilton’s fifth of the season and Mercedes’ sixth from seven races, the world champion believed the spectacle was lacking compared to when he watched Michael Schumacher’s domination as a teenager. However, he insisted it is up to the rule makers to improve the competition.’
by ‘rule makers’ he must mean Mercedes.
‘Lewis Hamilton has admitted that were he only a fan of Formula One he would probably tune in just for highlights of races given the dominance he and Mercedes are demonstrating this season.
After a controlled victory at the Belgian GP, Hamilton’s fifth of the season and Mercedes’ sixth from seven races, the world champion believed the spectacle was lacking compared to when he watched Michael Schumacher’s domination as a teenager. However, he insisted it is up to the rule makers to improve the competition.’
by ‘rule makers’ he must mean Mercedes.
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·However, he insisted it is up to the rule makers to improve the competition.’
by ‘rule makers’ he must mean Mercedes.
Mercedes don't really have any incentive to do that though do they? Oh well maybe Russell will be the second coming that everyone seems to think he is, it would be ironic if he did to Hamilton what Lewis did to Alonso in 2008. Would be even funnier if it meant Max stole the title... 😜
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Yago
·There's a huge power struggle between Liberty Media and Daimler. The former wants more competition but can't force this through because of the power of the latter. The 2022 regulations won't change Mercedes' dominance. Toto has the paddock on a leash.
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·Unfortunately by allowing these ridiculously complicated engines, they cut off the threat of using Cosworth as an engine supplier thus handing immense power to four teams. And then they stopped testing, and then they limit wind tunnel time and then they do anything and everything to maintain the status quo... and then they wonder why one team dominates for years on end. Not to deride Lewis' talent, but if he wasn't in a Merc these last years, he'd probably still be a one time WDC.
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Albert-AMG
··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorThere's a huge power struggle between Liberty Media and Daimler. The former wants more competition but can't force this through because of the power of the latter. The 2022 regulations won't change Mercedes' dominance. Toto has the paddock on a leash.
Should Mercedes be punished for doing better than the others? Blame it on others, who in 7 years have been unable to catch Mercedes! And we have to congratulate Mercedes and Hamilton for being so good! What is Mercedes supposed to do, expressly lose? I don't remember anyone asking Sébastien Loeb and Citroën (9 consecutive World Championship Titles from 2004 to 2012) to let himself win, to give more excitement to the World Rally Championship!
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Yago
·Lack of money or power sure isn't an excuse for Ferrari's current slump 😁
Wolff has so many personal financial interest in racing teams (5 % in Williams and of course 30% in Mercedes in F1 alone), supporting companies and drivers. In other sports like football such links would be seen as conflicts of interest. Wolff was Bottas' manager when he was signed by Mercedes. He's still managing Ocon, also in the mercedes stable. Remember the famous Ocon racing incidents?
Wolff is a racing and strategic genius, I don't doubt that but this situation is not healthy for the sport. He's the F1 kingpin but unfortunately also just the tip of the iceberg.
In football, tennis, cycling and most other sports it's obvious who is the best or top 5 in the world. In F1 this is impossible to say. What would Perez do in a Mercedes? Hamilton in a RB. This is the stuff I wanna see.
Wolff has so many personal financial interest in racing teams (5 % in Williams and of course 30% in Mercedes in F1 alone), supporting companies and drivers. In other sports like football such links would be seen as conflicts of interest. Wolff was Bottas' manager when he was signed by Mercedes. He's still managing Ocon, also in the mercedes stable. Remember the famous Ocon racing incidents?
Wolff is a racing and strategic genius, I don't doubt that but this situation is not healthy for the sport. He's the F1 kingpin but unfortunately also just the tip of the iceberg.
In football, tennis, cycling and most other sports it's obvious who is the best or top 5 in the world. In F1 this is impossible to say. What would Perez do in a Mercedes? Hamilton in a RB. This is the stuff I wanna see.
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·SJ: I'd looove to see Hamilton in that Ferrari, I bet he'd be on the podium no problem... what do you think DC?
DC: He's a phenomenal talent, I'm sure he could transcend the limits of the car and really push it well into the points.
SJ: Well, a podium at least I think. Let's not forget Lewis is phenomenal. Open any dictionary at 'phenomenal' and there's a picture of Lewis Hamilton. I'd wager Lewis would wring it's neck down the start/finish straight at Monza and put it on pole, what do you say DC?
DC: Yes, of course Lewis is extremely talented, but Monza is an engine track and even he couldn't do much there.
SJ: Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.. and DC, you're wrong. Lewis is GOD-like at every track he's ever been to, there's no way he wouldn't be on the front row at the very least.
DC: (looking uncomfortable) Well Steve, unlike you I've actually driven an F1 car in anger and I know what I know, when I was up against Mika....
SJ: Old news DC, after the break, Lee McKenzie will be talking to Lewis Hamilton about which of his 157 F1 trophies is his favourite and why he's three times better than Fernando Alonso.
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SJ: I'd looove to see Hamilton in that Ferrari, I bet he'd be on the podium no problem... what do you think DC?
DC: He's a phenomenal talent, I'm sure he could transcend the limits of the car and really push it well into the points.
SJ: Well, a podium at least I think. Let's not forget Lewis is phenomenal. Open any dictionary at 'phenomenal' and there's a picture of Lewis Hamilton. I'd wager Lewis would wring it's neck down the start/finish straight at Monza and put it on pole, what do you say DC?
DC: Yes, of course Lewis is extremely talented, but Monza is an engine track and even he couldn't do much there.
SJ: Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.. and DC, you're wrong. Lewis is GOD-like at every track he's ever been to, there's no way he wouldn't be on the front row at the very least.
DC: (looking uncomfortable) Well Steve, unlike you I've actually driven an F1 car in anger and I know what I know, when I was up against Mika....
SJ: Old news DC, after the break, Lee McKenzie will be talking to Lewis Hamilton about which of his 157 F1 trophies is his favourite and why he's three times better than Fernando Alonso.
Was this an actual conversation taking place? Here we have Swedish commentators so I dont hear or see these guys very often
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·Was this an actual conversation taking place? Here we have Swedish commentators so I dont hear or see these guys very often
Sorry Jim, but no... but it isn't that far from the truth. Last weekend the first thing I heard when I turned on the TV was Steve Jones gushing about how amazing Lewis Hamilton is, because that's all he ever does. With no context whatsoever... I get that they have to be partisan because Lewis is British, but we can support our chaps without being completely pathetic about it surely?
Apparently not.🙁
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imagwai
·Sorry Jim, but no... but it isn't that far from the truth. Last weekend the first thing I heard when I turned on the TV was Steve Jones gushing about how amazing Lewis Hamilton is, because that's all he ever does. With no context whatsoever... I get that they have to be partisan because Lewis is British, but we can support our chaps without being completely pathetic about it surely?
Apparently not.🙁
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·It's all he can do not to kiss him.
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Albert-AMG
··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorI get that they have to be partisan because Lewis is British, but we can support our chaps without being completely pathetic about it surely?
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·Surely a Sky Sports subscription is a small price to pay for not having to listen to David Coulthard?
DC isn't so bad... but he falls into these cliches like 'the track is a living thing' and you can see over time he's kind of accepted that he has to two the Channel 4 line to some extent and so he goes along with the Lewis is the best ever, ever, ever nonsense - but no one can eulogise like Steve Jones. It's almost like he's taking the mickey with it sometimes...!
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·DC isn't so bad... but he falls into these cliches like 'the track is a living thing' and you can see over time he's kind of accepted that he has to two the Channel 4 line to some extent and so he goes along with the Lewis is the best ever, ever, ever nonsense - but no one can eulogise like Steve Jones. It's almost like he's taking the mickey with it sometimes...!
I don't dislike Coulthard, he's probably a nice chap, but I do think he's a bit of a bell-end. When I was growing up, he used to provide me and my Dad no end of amusement with his "never my fault" excuses for his latest crash (such as driving into the pit wall while leading the race in Adelaide 95). Spa 98 was another highlight (when Schumacher tried to deck him). So I do appreciate DC in F1, but perhaps for the wrong reasons. 😁 I definitely don't want to listen to him commentating.
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kappa_md
·We watch Formula 1 on Fox Sports Channel / Sky F1 so it’s Martin Brundle, Ted Kravitz & David Croft for us. For good measure 👍
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·I must admit when I watch the highlight videos and Brundle is commentating it reminds me of the old ITV days, but then James Allen was awful.
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·We met DC at a car do many many years ago, nice guy, had his granny as his minder, commentators the sports world over are the same, can’t see beyond of their nose for their favourite whatever the sport.
