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·Just to say one more thing in comparison to speed limits on the road...
I think it's generally accepted on the road that when setting speed limits, you need to take into account both the average speed and the 85th percentile speed. In other words, you don't want to set a limit too slow below what "most" drivers consider to be a normal and safe speed. That will make compliance with the limit more difficult. The theory goes that if lots of drivers break a speed limit then the limit is probably too low because most drivers tend to drive at a speed they consider to be safe and within their own limits.
Why am I mentioning all this? Well the sheer quantity of infractions at this particular circuit would tend to suggest that it's the circuit that needs modifying rather than the drivers' behaviour.
I think it's generally accepted on the road that when setting speed limits, you need to take into account both the average speed and the 85th percentile speed. In other words, you don't want to set a limit too slow below what "most" drivers consider to be a normal and safe speed. That will make compliance with the limit more difficult. The theory goes that if lots of drivers break a speed limit then the limit is probably too low because most drivers tend to drive at a speed they consider to be safe and within their own limits.
Why am I mentioning all this? Well the sheer quantity of infractions at this particular circuit would tend to suggest that it's the circuit that needs modifying rather than the drivers' behaviour.
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·Interesting way of looking at it. But isn't the 'challenge' of circuit driving to go as fast as possible while keeping on the circuit, otherwise you might as well just have a huge empty slab of tarmac and stick some bollards around it like fences in a show jumping arena?
I guess part of the problem is that the drivers are expected to exploit every nth degree of speed from the circuit, and here we come back to needing physical restrictions like barriers or kerbs etc. I mean it's ridiculous when you see the slow motion shots of the drivers smacking into the kerbs at circuits like Canada and launching into the air, but it's clearly the 'fastest' way to take the corners.
The stupid thing is if you make it a free for all the slower drivers won't catch up because Max will use the kerb too and go even faster..
I guess part of the problem is that the drivers are expected to exploit every nth degree of speed from the circuit, and here we come back to needing physical restrictions like barriers or kerbs etc. I mean it's ridiculous when you see the slow motion shots of the drivers smacking into the kerbs at circuits like Canada and launching into the air, but it's clearly the 'fastest' way to take the corners.
The stupid thing is if you make it a free for all the slower drivers won't catch up because Max will use the kerb too and go even faster..
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imagwai
·Interesting way of looking at it. But isn't the 'challenge' of circuit driving to go as fast as possible while keeping on the circuit, otherwise you might as well just have a huge empty slab of tarmac and stick some bollards around it like fences in a show jumping arena?
I guess part of the problem is that the drivers are expected to exploit every nth degree of speed from the circuit, and here we come back to needing physical restrictions like barriers or kerbs etc. I mean it's ridiculous when you see the slow motion shots of the drivers smacking into the kerbs at circuits like Canada and launching into the air, but it's clearly the 'fastest' way to take the corners.
The stupid thing is if you make it a free for all the slower drivers won't catch up because Max will use the kerb too and go even faster..
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·Which is fine, except we know that if you give these guys a free pass they will take the pi55 completely...
So really physical deterrents are the only answer..
So really physical deterrents are the only answer..
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·Which is fine, except we know that if you give these guys a free pass they will take the pi55 completely...
So really physical deterrents are the only answer..
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·Yeah but that's a different thing isn't it.
You know what would be a lot easier without white lines ?
Tennis.
You know what would be a lot easier without white lines ?
Tennis.
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·Yeah but that's a different thing isn't it.
You know what would be a lot easier without white lines ?
Tennis.
Yes, the chicane example I used is different, but I used it just to say that whatever they put in has to be a real deterrent, both visually and actually (in terms of slowing the car down in some way). In other words, don't design circuits that allow you to cut corners or run so wide without penalty.
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·Which is fine, except we know that if you give these guys a free pass they will take the pi55 completely...
So really physical deterrents are the only answer..
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·Ha ha. Yep, take that pesky net out as well.
Yes, the chicane example I used is different, but I used it just to say that whatever they put in has to be a real deterrent, both visually and actually (in terms of slowing the car down in some way). In other words, don't design circuits that allow you to cut corners or run so wide without penalty.
Yes.
But... you know 'safety, blah blah blah'.
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·AI can generate realistic feed for tv - haha
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imagwai
·It could simulate the car exploding as soon as track limits are breached 😀
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·Or spinning through the air PS2 style...
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Mspeedster
·An interesting graphic showing the average 3 day ticket cost at each F1 venue.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuPoWkyLo2n/
Las Vegas is the most expensive by a huge margin! Guess I won't be attending any time soon. 🙁
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuPoWkyLo2n/
Las Vegas is the most expensive by a huge margin! Guess I won't be attending any time soon. 🙁
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·Was offered the Las Vegas 3 day package at $2.4K each, which is discounted from the original $3K.
I have a nice TV to see it and lotsa watches to buy (invest).
More luxury watch purchases will be a much better investment in the long run.
And four outta five financial experts agree. Aargh, link to money advice not working..
I have a nice TV to see it and lotsa watches to buy (invest).
More luxury watch purchases will be a much better investment in the long run.
And four outta five financial experts agree. Aargh, link to money advice not working..
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·McLaren and Mercedes to test a spray reducing device at Silverstone next week, what if doesn’t rain for the te… Oh wait, it’s summer, it’ll rain.
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·Just lift the track by 150mm so that there is a step down to dirt (real dirt not more concrete painted green), that'll keep them on the track since going off will result in either a puncture or a crash. No need for fancy electronic systems or time penalties!
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··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorNice to see Lando and McLaren on the podium!
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