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Much moaning about track limits this weekend, simple solution, replace all the kerbs outside the edge of the track with soft grass/kitty litter, they’d find a method of staying on the track somehow?
Yes I know, every driver pushes the envelope to the limit, is racing but the more drivable surface they get, the more they want.
 
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Much moaning about track limits this weekend, simple solution, replace all the kerbs outside the edge of the track with soft grass/kitty litter, they’d find a method of staying on the track somehow?
Yes I know, every driver pushes the envelope to the limit, is racing but the more drivable surface they get, the more they want.

Easier said than done. The track serves more than just F1, bike racers would NOT appreciate that kind of fun off.
 
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I realise that but since that is the case, they (F1) will have respect the judges of fact and camera evidence or stay home.
 
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I love pictures of motorsports under the rain 🥰

 
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Why can't they put those thin plastic markers at the edge of the track, like you sometimes see on roads? Not solid enough to damage the cars but easier to see where they are. I mean it's funny how they can get round the track at Monaco when there's a solid wall there.

But Perez was just stupid, he should have allowed a few tenths to get him through to Q3.
 
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Austrian Grand Prix results in doubt as FIA examine 1,200 possible track limits breaches
 
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Austrian Grand Prix results in doubt as FIA examine 1,200 possible track limits breaches
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Yes, track limits in this race were a real joke :whipped:
 
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https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-martin-austrian-grand-prix-protest/

This is just hilarious. But to be honest I have no sympathy. Max, Lando, LeClerc managed not to get penalties, which suggests the drivers who did are pushing beyond either their level of skill or the cars grip. So why should the drivers who can be do it be penalised because others can't. I get that they are hard to see out of, but the drivers are always pushing it to the limit, either they should leave a margin (which they won't) or they should put in a temporary Armco. Of course that will not be allowed on safety ground but yet they manage to drive between Armco barriers in Monaco. The other obvious answer is gravel. Nobody used to go off at the Lesmos because there was a sea of gravel. Surely there is some way they can design gravel traps that can be covered over for bike races?
 
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Austrian GP Race Highlights
 
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Yes, track limits in this race were a real joke :whipped:
@Formula1

Eight drivers receive post-race penalties for track limits infringements in Austria: Sainz, Hamilton, Gasly, Albon, Sargeant, Ocon, De Vries, and Tsunoda.

The revised top 10 is: Verstappen, Leclerc, Perez, Norris, Alonso, Sainz, Russell, Hamilton, Stroll, Gasly.
 
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So, all these penalties have been applied hours after the end of the race:



And this is the final result:



Which is not fair. Drivers should know they have a penalty for track limits during the race, not when the race is finished and they can’t extend the gap with other drivers.

This is a bad joke. Even the Stewards are asking a change in the track limits control for this circuit
 
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But Albert I fail to see the logic here. If drivers like Logan Sargeant, Nyck de Vries and Lewis Hamilton keep breaking the rules by continueing to be driving outside the track limits so many times that the judges can't even keep up and give penalties during the race, does this mean they should change the rules to cater for these drivers?

My understanding is that these days the rules are consistent and no matter the track, the white line is the limit. I remember the constant lack of logic before this rule when they were setting track limits a bit here and there depending on track, mood and corner and no one was able to keep up with where there was a track limit and not. I think that system was way worse.

Feels like Rob has a point as well, plenty of drivers were able to drive within track limits, why should rules be changed just because a few could not do it? I understand the frustration of being penalised after the race but every driver who kept pushing the limit was told 200 million times by the race engineer "stay within track limits please, we have a black and white flag for track limits, we now have a penalty for track limits". At some point it would make sense to me if those drivers added some margin to their cornering in corner 10.
 
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Even Stroll could abide to these track rules. Should not be that difficult for the real professionals to do the same.
 
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But Albert I fail to see the logic here. If drivers like Logan Sargeant, Nyck de Vries and Lewis Hamilton keep breaking the rules by continueing to be driving outside the track limits so many times that the judges can't even keep up and give penalties during the race, does this mean they should change the rules to cater for these drivers?

My understanding is that these days the rules are consistent and no matter the track, the white line is the limit. I remember the constant lack of logic before this rule when they were setting track limits a bit here and there depending on track, mood and corner and no one was able to keep up with where there was a track limit and not. I think that system was way worse.

Feels like Rob has a point as well, plenty of drivers were able to drive within track limits, why should rules be changed just because a few could not do it? I understand the frustration of being penalised after the race but every driver who kept pushing the limit was told 200 million times by the race engineer "stay within track limits please, we have a black and white flag for track limits, we now have a penalty for track limits". At some point it would make sense to me if those drivers added some margin to their cornering in corner 10.

Best drivers in the world but they can't keep inside a white line. And everything they do to physically stop them ends up causing problems, like sausage kerbs... oh no we can't have that cos of safety, gravel... oh no we can't have that because of bikes.

And while okay, three warnings would be nice if there was 1200 infringements - how can they be expected to police that in real time? I mean if you get one you would think you would play safe for the rest of the race, but Lewis used his first three warnings in about 15 laps.

I get that F1 is about pushing to the limit, but if you don't have a limit then what's the point of any rules? Same with any sport, 10mm over a line is a throw in or an 'out'... maybe the drivers that can do it spend more time in the simulator practicing not going over the white line?