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·On the one hand people want sausgae kerbs removed because they are 'dangerous' on the other the drivers clearly need something to stop them taking the ****. I'm sure there will be a backlash against these penalties soon, the teams will moan about it and the media will portray it like the FIA are being too inflexible. But what's the point of marking out a track if people don't stick to it. And there's no use saying it was only a few millimeters, because if you give these guys one mm they will take three. I never understood the track limit rules, especially at Spa where the limits seems to be the back edge of the kerbs rather than the white line, I mean.... WHY? I'm actually quite enjoying the FIA implementing the rules properly for a change, it seems the new boss is laying down the law and stamping his Cartman like authority
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imagwai
·It's only a problem on certain tracks. Just design the corners better so it's not an issue.
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·It's only a problem on certain tracks. Just design the corners better so it's not an issue.
I disagree. It's supposed to be challenging. The 'skill' is driving the car as fast as possible whilst staying inside the track limit. Maybe we need some better drivers? And, to be fair, in the past the FIA have been absolutely useless and enforcing track limits, so the drivers have kind of got used to being able to get away with it. I guess it's a bit like if you luck into a temporary company car for a few months and then when it goes you feel aggrieved because you got used to having it...
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·I think it's psychological and I sympathise with the drivers. Their brains are tuned to maximise the speed around the circuit at all costs. All they need to do is plant some grass and make sure going outside the track limits doesn't give you an advantage.
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·Yes, it's not really the corner profile that is the problem, it's the fact that they have made the surface beyond the corner usable. This didn't used to happen in the old days of course... I think this really started to become an issue when the drivers just completely ignored the kink at the top of Eau Rouge and made no attempt to stay on the track there to get the best straight line speed for the Kemmel straight.
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·I felt the 5s penalty for Russell was really unfair. He left sufficient room in my opinion. As did Perez, but it was basically just a coming together that they both could have avoided had they wanted to.
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·I think it’s fine to leave the responsibility upto the drivers. Strikes per violation etc. Sort of gamification like Mario Kart.
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·If you watch the in cockpit, George (for whatever reason) flicks the steering wheel left into checo. The penalty was fully justified IMO.
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·I think it’s fine to leave the responsibility upto the drivers. Strikes per violation etc. Sort of gamification like Mario Kart.
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·Will have to watch again but he probably did that to avoid losing traction. As I said he could have left more room. But equally, Perez could have given a tiny bit more room without running out of space also imo.
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·Will have to watch again but he probably did that to avoid losing traction. As I said he could have left more room. But equally, Perez could have given a tiny bit more room without running out of space also imo.
either way, I assume the stewards have considered that it’s his error and therefore penalised given it was Perez’s corner.
Whether that’s the right decision - who knows. We all have differing opinions on these matters
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·It’s called racing. No penalty necessary in this case imo. No exaggerated squeeze or mal intent.
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·Just watched it again. Perez had loads of room to his left and didn't need to squeeze George as much as he did. Equally to blame imo.
we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. Roll on the next race
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·Perez does not have to open the door for him once he’s won the corner (he’s near enough a car length ahead in the still).
we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one.
I didn't see a car lengh, more a nose only, after the apex. And Perez didn't have to open the door, granted, but he arguably suffered more in not giving space. He had plenty of choice in the matter.
I am very aware that the professionally employed stewards disagree with me 😀
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·Would be easier if there was consistency from the stewards I guess. I still don't understand how Sainz was permitted to go right off the track and rejoin, maintain speed and then overtake Russell on turn one, lap one.
First lap anything goes, it's been like that for years. He would say he had no choice, avoiding an accident etc
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·Good point!
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·Russell didn't want to cede the corner, didn't give in and understeered wide, then maybe a wee bit oversteer as he applied the power on the exit going try and pull back up the inside, needed opportunity lock and bang, Checo had the corner and a wee bit sense from Russell could have kept him in the space on the inside, and allowed him the chance to fight back.
You can't win a race in the first lap but you sure can lose it, there are times when discretion is the better part of valour.
Hope I never come alongside any of these guys when on a roundabout.
You can't win a race in the first lap but you sure can lose it, there are times when discretion is the better part of valour.
Hope I never come alongside any of these guys when on a roundabout.
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