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My view point has nothing to do with what Max said later.

In general, when someone or a team shows excessive celebration it is a sign of disrespect to the opponent.

In American football, you'll get a penalty for celebrating too hard after scoring. It's considered unsportsmanlike conduct.
I do actually agree with you on this point.
 
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Yes I know. I don't agree with that either. It's like football players hounding the referee. They shouldn't be allowed to do it. It was just something about the way Horner lodged his complaint that really grated with me.

I can also fully understand Max being aggrieved but in the cold light of day, he has to accept some responsibility for that coming together. As if he would never try a move like that? Come on. And the penalty was entirely appropriate for a first lap racing incident. Who knew Lewis would drive so brilliantly and turn it into a win? I suspect not even Lewis, which was why he was so happy 😀
I’m not so sure I class the drive as brilliant. He was handed an extended pit stop and not a stop/go. Under normal circumstances he’d have expected to win that without max by a street given the advantage the merc has over the others (red bull aside).

that said, I agree with you that in the cold light of day it’s a racing incident. Max races hard and so does Lewis. I don’t want to see formation racing, so long may that continue (albeit without any accidents).

it was one of those cases where they both expected each other to yield and no one did - nor do I really think either should have. Max had his elbows out all lap before that touching Lewis by moving into him at one point and was always on the back foot defending. 2 drivers going at it - that’s all.

Edit - I should add I’m a max fan too.
 
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I’ve had a lot of comments from the Lewis fanboz I know, I just refer them to the stewards decision, they’d have been screaming blue murder and kinds of conspiracies if they had both had DNFs.
Personally I’m bored of it now, it’s in the past and we have tickets for the weekend meeting at Knockhill, no prima donnas there. ———- Almost anyway.
 
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One thing about the Sprint race that I don't like, in normal qualifying Bottas is free to take pole, if he was leading the sprint race and Hamilton was second he would be expected to give up the place (as would Perez for Max). That would not be a 'deserved' pole. I think the thing the FIA fail to grasp is the reason F1 fans get so excited about pole is that it's pure, there's no strategy, no funny business - it's whoever is fastest on the track and up until now it was never able to be fiddled with because the margins are too tight.
 
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I believe majority of F1 fans (which are NOT hard core techical fanatics) just want to have an exciting race to watch and have an enjoyable weekend! The sprint qualifying leads to a more exciting and much more anticipated sunday race, in my book. It’s like a pre-race teaser / preview 😉 To me, it certainly has that “wow”“exciting” factor and has catched the attention of many. F1 is surely reaching to a whole new large market 👍 They are expanding and trying a new “formula” to entice more fans because at the end of the day, F1 is big bucks business, and they would obviously want more 😗

Let’s face it, similar to us TH fanatics, the majority of those who buy TAG Heuer are not watch freaks/WIS and unfortunately, they are the ones that dictate the trend of the market (and not the “minority” like us) 🤔 No matter what we say on a new release, whether good or bad, it will only be more relevant to TAG Heuer if it produces sales or not 🙄
 
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All the sprint race showed for me is that the real Grand Prix doesn't need to be so many laps.

Generally, I'm not in favour of the sprint race, though and prefer normal quali. There's too much that can go wrong in a sprint race - crashes, safety cars, bad starts.

How about scrap it, do normal quali on a Fri, then a reverse grid race for reduced points on Sat (0.5 pt for every place you make up?), and then the proper race on Sun? Only problem with that is the reverse grid race would probably be better than the Sunday race.
 
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I believe majority of F1 fans (which are NOT hard core techical fanatics) just want to have an exciting race to watch and have an enjoyable weekend! The sprint qualifying leads to a more exciting and much more anticipated sunday race, in my book. It’s like a pre-race teaser / preview 😉 To me, it certainly has that “wow”“exciting” factor and has catched the attention of many. F1 is surely reaching to a whole new large market 👍 They are expanding and trying a new “formula” to entice more fans because at the end of the day, F1 is big bucks business, and they would obviously want more 😗

Let’s face it, similar to us TH fanatics, the majority of those who buy TAG Heuer are not watch freaks/WIS and unfortunately, they are the ones that dictate the trend of the market (and not the “minority” like us) 🤔 No matter what we say on a new release, whether good or bad, it will only be more relevant to TAG Heuer if it produces sales or not 🙄

It's amusing, my experience of F1 forums is not unlike here. A hardcore minority who want F1 to be exactly like it was in the 60s...

The hardcore racing 'elite' hate everything that F1 does to try and make itself more exciting to the average person, while utterly failing to grasp that the whole reason teams have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on the cars is that it is a mass market sport. If you want 'proper' racing then I suspect Sports Cars would be a better bet, since the general public really don't give a shit, not even Le Mans really captures the public imagination. I mean how many people do you know who actually watch the Le Mans 24 hours? Or even some of it?

I think I gave up on F1 Forums when someone told me that the perfect F1 race would be one where everyone qualified in the 'correct' order and they simply spread out until the end. These are the sort of people who don't watch the race, they watch timing screens.
 
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All the sprint race showed for me is that the real Grand Prix doesn't need to be so many laps.

Generally, I'm not in favour of the sprint race, though and prefer normal quali. There's too much that can go wrong in a sprint race - crashes, safety cars, bad starts.

How about scrap it, do normal quali on a Fri, then a reverse grid race for reduced points on Sat (0.5 pt for every place you make up?), and then the proper race on Sun? Only problem with that is the reverse grid race would probably be better than the Sunday race.

I can't help but think the Sprint race is all well and good until it goes wrong. If Max or Lewis had done a Perez the race would have been ruined before it even started. At least they have acknowledged that they shouldn't have sprint races near the end of the season when it could decide the title.

I agree some races do go on and on.... but then again, how often do they finish just before someone was going to catch up? Changing the length would alter the strategy side of it significantly and pretty much ensure that everyone had to do one stop. Why not make them use all three compounds and therefore have to make two stops at every race?
 
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I can't help but think the Sprint race is all well and good until it goes wrong. If Max or Lewis had done a Perez the race would have been ruined before it even started. At least they have acknowledged that they shouldn't have sprint races near the end of the season when it could decide the title.
Yes, no problems at the start in this one, but I was expecting an accident as people jostled for race position. Perez showed the cost of making a single mistake in the sprint race, though.
I agree some races do go on and on.... but then again, how often do they finish just before someone was going to catch up? Changing the length would alter the strategy side of it significantly and pretty much ensure that everyone had to do one stop. Why not make them use all three compounds and therefore have to make two stops at every race?
At least with the sprint race, everybody was pretty much going for it, though. I'm not really in favour of forcing teams to use a compound that's sub-optimal. I guess it could make races a bit more unpredictable, but I think the rules are already confusing enough.