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2020: F1 Discussions
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Aquagraph
·Maybe it's the shock the FIA need to realise that these engines are too expensive.
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Calibre11
·That is a surprise. As much as it pains me, I see the only future for F1 to be embracing electric engines. Even if they wanted to do this, Formula E has an exclusive deal with the FIA.
F1 needs the manufacturers, and they need to demonstrate their engine capabilities..but who cares about developing a better combustion engine? Maybe today, but by 2023/4, all their attention will be on electric.
F1 needs the manufacturers, and they need to demonstrate their engine capabilities..but who cares about developing a better combustion engine? Maybe today, but by 2023/4, all their attention will be on electric.
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imagwai
·That is a surprise. As much as it pains me, I see the only future for F1 to be embracing electric engines. Even if they wanted to do this, Formula E has an exclusive deal with the FIA.
F1 needs the manufacturers, and they need to demonstrate their engine capabilities..but who cares about developing a better combustion engine? Maybe today, but by 2023/4, all their attention will be on electric.
Sometimes I think it's maybe time to level the playing field and give them all the same engine, but of course that would mean an end to the Ferrari team, Renault, etc.
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·F1 definitely has a problem... but mostly of it's own making, cutting out the likes of Cosworth was a huge mistake that put all the power in the manufacturers hands. People think the manufacturers will leave F1 to go to Fe, but really... how many people watch that? It needs to be a LOT better and with decent circuits before it has a hope of knocking F1 off it's perch.
On the other hand if the manufacturers leave, then what? Just no F1? Or a reset to one make petrol engines and 'teams' not 'manufacturers'. Could be a winner. A lot of F1 fans would love to see a sport like that, especially if they resurrected the old team names..
On the other hand if the manufacturers leave, then what? Just no F1? Or a reset to one make petrol engines and 'teams' not 'manufacturers'. Could be a winner. A lot of F1 fans would love to see a sport like that, especially if they resurrected the old team names..
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·I wonder what made Honda decide to leave F1 again as engine supplier? After a 10 year absence in F1 as engine supplier in 2005 and coming back in 2015 with the much hyped McLaren-Honda team-up, a stint of 7 years really didn’t aligned and met their goals I guess. I’m sure it is more than just the COVID pandemic that has surely affected us all.
If you look at F1 in terms of auto manufacturer’s or supplier’s worldwide goal as a company, F1’s goals might be quite different. Same reason why you don’t see Michelin in Formula 1 but is in WEC, Formula E and WRC.
If you look at F1 in terms of auto manufacturer’s or supplier’s worldwide goal as a company, F1’s goals might be quite different. Same reason why you don’t see Michelin in Formula 1 but is in WEC, Formula E and WRC.
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·To be honest I don't get what Honda get out of being in F1. They got blasted when they were doing badly, but when they win it's a RED BULL win. I can't see the value for the investment. Kinda like with the tyres, nobody talks about them unless they are delaminating.
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·Honda is the only other engine manufacturer who has won in the 2020 F1 Season with Red Bull and Alpha Tauri a piece. I really like Honda because they are known to create powerful, compact and sporty engines. It just leaves Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault. Porsche where are you???
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Pitfitter446
·Honda is the only other engine manufacturer who has won in the 2020 F1 Season with Red Bull and Alpha Tauri a piece. I really like Honda because they are known to create powerful, compact and sporty engines. It just leaves Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault. Porsche where are you???
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Mspeedster
·I wonder what made Honda decide to leave F1 again as engine supplier? After a 10 year absence in F1 as engine supplier in 2005 and coming back in 2015 with the much hyped McLaren-Honda team-up, a stint of 7 years really didn’t aligned and met their goals I guess. I’m sure it is more than just the COVID pandemic that has surely affected us all.
If you look at F1 in terms of auto manufacturer’s or supplier’s worldwide goal as a company, F1’s goals might be quite different. Same reason why you don’t see Michelin in Formula 1 but is in WEC, Formula E and WRC.
The pandemic has hurt Honda's overall business and like many companies, they had to re-think their overall business strategy. The F1 program was already under constant pressure & scrutiny from the top brass at Honda corporate, Covid compounded things to the point where this decision was made.
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El Matarife
·Honda has such a history of doing this. Renault is almost as bad. It takes time to build a winning engine. 7 years is the typical turnaround time for any new entrant. Honda sold it's factory team in 2008, and Brawn used those same assets to win the championship in 2009 (albeit with a Mercedes engine). Honda could be about quit while on the verge of success again, just stupid.
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·Just want to share this F1 idol of mine 😉
(the other one being Fernando 😎)
Rise of the Rookie to become the MOST experienced F1 Veteran 😉
The LAST Ferrari World Champion 2007 - Kimi 😎
(the other one being Fernando 😎)
Rise of the Rookie to become the MOST experienced F1 Veteran 😉
The LAST Ferrari World Champion 2007 - Kimi 😎
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·Kimi Raikkonen & TAG Heuer
Debut win with Ferrari! 😎 @ the Australian Grand Prix (2007) Easter egg at right hand. 😜
TAG Heuer Formula 1 Chronograph (Red Dial) &
TAG Heuer Formula 1 Chronograph (Grande Date)
KR not so Limited Edition for 2007 F1 Championship 😉
Debut win with Ferrari! 😎 @ the Australian Grand Prix (2007) Easter egg at right hand. 😜
TAG Heuer Formula 1 Chronograph (Red Dial) &
TAG Heuer Formula 1 Chronograph (Grande Date)
KR not so Limited Edition for 2007 F1 Championship 😉
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Yago
·There’s just no point for Honda to be in F1 any longer. They’re planning to electrify all of their mainstream models in the coming two years. The marketing link between F1 and road cars is fading rapidly.
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Albert-AMG
··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorThe marketing link between F1 and road cars is fading rapidly.
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Calibre11
·It does, but I agree with @Yago
Formula E has a 25 year exclusivity from the FIA on being the sole single seater Electric-only category. I would bet big money that Formula E will merge with Formula 1 in a few years (or more specifically, F1 will buy Formula E). Here is the current scoreboard on which manufacturer is where (obviously some of these are more "in" than others- e.g. Alfa Romeo is really a sponsorship)
Formula 1
- Ferrari
- Alfa Romeo
- Alpine/ Renault
- Aston Martin
- McLaren
- Mercedes
Formula E
- Audi
- BMW
- Mercedes
- Nissan
- Jaguar
- Porsche
The momentum is with Formula E, even if it's a third-rate category today in terms of racing
Formula E has a 25 year exclusivity from the FIA on being the sole single seater Electric-only category. I would bet big money that Formula E will merge with Formula 1 in a few years (or more specifically, F1 will buy Formula E). Here is the current scoreboard on which manufacturer is where (obviously some of these are more "in" than others- e.g. Alfa Romeo is really a sponsorship)
Formula 1
- Ferrari
- Alfa Romeo
- Alpine/ Renault
- Aston Martin
- McLaren
- Mercedes
Formula E
- Audi
- BMW
- Mercedes
- Nissan
- Jaguar
- Porsche
The momentum is with Formula E, even if it's a third-rate category today in terms of racing
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kappa_md
·Both Mercedes and Nissan (Alpine/Renault) are in FIA F1 and FIA Formula E.
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·Clearly Fe will be bought by F1 at some point, or they will merge. If F1 wants to continue to be the money pit that it is and has been for quite a while now, it has to keep the manufacturers on board... but I see them separate for some time yet. Electric engines need to get to the point where they can convince F1's current following that they are a viable alternative. At present they are not, considering the top speed is 140mph and they've only just got the battery to last a whole race (which is shorter than a GP anyway). Until the cars can hit 180mph and complete a 200 mile race it's not going to be realistic to sell it to the public.
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Yago
·Electric cars accelerate a lot faster and can achieve higher top speeds than gas powered cars. In fact performance will need to be capped if we want to keep racing with human drivers. Gamification of racing is coming and Formula E is paving the way. Maintaining performance throughout a longer race is a matter of further battery development. This won't take long. Tron anyone?
