2019 Heuer Monaco 50th Anniversary Editions

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When I see criticism like that I'm not sure what you actually want TAG Heuer to do. It's not like they can 'break in F1' again. What 'new' timing could they come up with at an affordable price? It sort of reminds of when people say that Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever. Everything he did was groundbreaking because nobody had done it before... doesn't mean that other people didn't improve on what he did.

Seriously though, the modern watch world is what it is, and it's not like TAG Heuer are the only ones doing what they're doing.
 
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What do you mean? I love ambassadors! 😁

The 'modern watch industry' is quickly becoming irrelevant this way. I read in the NYT analysts expect Apple will outsell the entire Swiss watch industry this year with the Apple watch. Yes read that sentence again. And then there's a bunch of other smart watch brands. The middle, not in the least TH, might very well get squeezed out.
Also in the NYT a piece on the moon ambitions by a bunch of nations. The US wants another man on the moon by 2025. I see an Apple moon watch LE on the horizon.

Tag Heuer could do a bunch of things actually. But it starts with a good strategy and there's no sign of that. This year they will launch an Autavia heritage collection of watches that will cost more than the Tudor BB collection. Somebody please tell them these are 1500 to 2000 euro watches. These will not sell the way TH expects them to.
 
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What do you mean? I love ambassadors! 😁

The 'modern watch industry' is quickly becoming irrelevant this way. I read in the NYT analysts expect Apple will outsell the entire Swiss watch industry this year with the Apple watch. Yes read that sentence again. And then there's a bunch of other smart watch brands. The middle, not in the least TH, might very well get squeezed out.
Also in the NYT a piece on the moon ambitions by a bunch of nations. The US wants another man on the moon by 2025. I see an Apple moon watch LE on the horizon.

Tag Heuer could do a bunch of things actually. But it starts with a good strategy and there's no sign of that. This year they will launch an Autavia heritage collection of watches that will cost more than the Tudor BB collection. Somebody please tell them these are 1500 to 2000 euro watches. These will not sell the way TH expects them to.

Are people really buying Apple watches instead of Swiss watches? I'm not sure. Maybe, but then aren't those the people buying the Connected? TAG Heuer was very smart making the Connected, even though I don't like them myself. They've instilled in the youth of today that an aspirational Smart watch is a TAG Heuer, and oh, if you also want a 'proper' watch, we make these as well.

It actually amazes me how many watches are sold every year, when it's not like cars where after ten years they are scrap. Nobody is throwing away ten year old Swiss watches, they just go on eBay. So, if TAG Heuer sell 600,000 watches a year, that's into an already saturated market. Plus nobody 'needs' to spend £1000s on a Swiss watch, it's a statement / an image thing (okay I know nobody likes phrasing it like that but at this point the lines between 'fashion' watch and 'horology' are getting blurred).

I wonder how Omega will feel about Apple being the new 'Moonwatch'? That will be quite amusing...

As far as pricing goes, I think we've seen in another thread that TAG Heuers are best bought at a discount...
 
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Yes but, why Wednesday evening, is there a race somewhere, is it somebody in racing’s birthday?
 
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Yes but, why Wednesday evening, is there a race somewhere, is it somebody in racing’s birthday?

Exactly!
Is it something really important like Chris Hemsworth's birthday or something?😉
 
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Maybe by now they received all the invoices of the previous launch events and decided an after work get together would work just fine.
 
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Would be great to see some numbers of the impact of smart watches on Swiss watch sales. I have read Fossil has taken a huge hit. I don't think smart watches will replace Swiss prestige watches per se but I do expect a lot of people will not buy both and the smart watch will probably become the main smart wearable. And let's not forget that Tag Heuer isn't Rolex.
I do see a lot of chances for Tag Heuer when you throw the smart watch experience and youth appeal in the mix. I know it's controversial but that Supreme stopwatch was brilliant. They should build on that. A Swatch style affordable smart watch could be very desirable. They won't be able to beat Apple on tech so I'm thinking something very fashionable, not as sleek and purist as the Apple watch, cheaper, with only the basic smart watch needs. Colourful, modular with accessories etc. That could sell very well.
 
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Would be great to see some numbers of the impact of smart watches on Swiss watch sales. I have read Fossil has taken a huge hit. I don't think smart watches will replace Swiss prestige watches per se but I do expect a lot of people will not buy both and the smart watch will probably become the main smart wearable. And let's not forget that Tag Heuer isn't Rolex.
I do see a lot of chances for Tag Heuer when you throw the smart watch experience and youth appeal in the mix. I know it's controversial but that Supreme stopwatch was brilliant. They should build on that. A Swatch style affordable smart watch could be very desirable. They won't be able to beat Apple on tech so I'm thinking something very fashionable, not as sleek and purist as the Apple watch, cheaper, with only the basic smart watch needs. Colourful, modular with accessories etc. That could sell very well.

I actually think the most likely to suffer are the quartz watches makers like Citizen and Seiko, watches that are in the £200-500 price bracket. If you're willing to spend over a £1000 for a watch then you probably want a 'proper' watch and I don't think that will change too much. Let's not foget, as Mr Biver pointed out, the smartwatch has got younger people into the idea of wearing a watch again, so it may balance itself out to some degree.
 
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I can totally see where people are coming from. There was a balance here and I’m not sure that Tag Heuer could have pleased everyone. Indeed they haven’t. The positives I see are: 5 watches with different styles which appeal to different people. Genuine exclusivity in that it is highly, highly unlikely you’ll ever come across one of the other people with the same timepiece. Affordable especially compared to RRP of the stock pieces. The negatives reflect these points in a lot of ways, particularly the lack of availability causing resentment among the community and they aren’t ‘re-inventions’ by any stretch.

I feel they could have done more at the boutique level. I speak only for Sydney, Aus here but I can tell you that nothing special is happening with collecting these ultra rare pieces. I would loved an evening with the other buyers of each piece, if released much closer together, to compare and talk about why we chose ours and what it means - let’s face it we are all collectors... except those buying to try and flip it... enough said about that. I also think the 50 x 5 watch sets should sit apart - I agree that this deserves a third of the output for deep pockets.

I for one like it overall despite the problems. I’m very glad the didn’t price the single items into oblivion and I love both the 70s and 80s version - thought I’m not sold on some of the others till I see them. I hope these become real collectors pieces over time and Tag Heuer don’t rehash any of the specials into more mainstream items and ruin them.
 
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What do you mean? I love ambassadors! 😁

The 'modern watch industry' is quickly becoming irrelevant this way. I read in the NYT analysts expect Apple will outsell the entire Swiss watch industry this year with the Apple watch. Yes read that sentence again. And then there's a bunch of other smart watch brands. The middle, not in the least TH, might very well get squeezed out.
Also in the NYT a piece on the moon ambitions by a bunch of nations. The US wants another man on the moon by 2025. I see an Apple moon watch LE on the horizon.

Tag Heuer could do a bunch of things actually. But it starts with a good strategy and there's no sign of that. This year they will launch an Autavia heritage collection of watches that will cost more than the Tudor BB collection. Somebody please tell them these are 1500 to 2000 euro watches. These will not sell the way TH expects them to.
The people that are buying Apple watches and only Apple watches are the people who were already using their smartphone as a clock. They were never going to buy traditional watches, period.

The smartwatch and the traditional watch markets are separate. I know of no traditional watch owners that would replace their "real" watches with an Apple watch. They might buy one as well, to see what the fuss is about, but never as a replacement.

Apple will sell plenty. They are overpriced peripherals for their overpriced smartphones. A new model comes out every year and just like anything that uses a microprocessor, will be obsolete and worth absolutely nothing in just a couple of years' time.

TH should not worry about smartwatch market. It is a low margin, high volume fashion-driven business, similar to the mainstream quartz watch market. Except that it's even harder to differentiate in smartwatches!

Everything that is not Apple uses Wear OS. And no watch firm could ever develop its own OS and app eco-system, and successfully gain any market share. It would waste untold millions (billions even) trying to.

It's telling that the Connected range was a modular system that ended up including a mechanical piece as a trade in for old digital ones. I wouldn't be surprised to see TAG drop the Connected range completely.

Comparing traditional watches to smartwatches is like comparing vinyl to digital downloads. Different products, serving different tastes, needs and budgets. Sometimes with the same buyers, but often not.
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I can totally see where people are coming from. There was a balance here and I’m not sure that Tag Heuer could have pleased everyone. Indeed they haven’t. The positives I see are: 5 watches with different styles which appeal to different people. Genuine exclusivity in that it is highly, highly unlikely you’ll ever come across one of the other people with the same timepiece. Affordable especially compared to RRP of the stock pieces. The negatives reflect these points in a lot of ways, particularly the lack of availability causing resentment among the community and they aren’t ‘re-inventions’ by any stretch.

Yeah, but surely by creating some truly limited pieces they've created interest and at least tried to do some of that Rolex 'you want it but you can't get it' kinda thing, as opposed to making too many and ending up with them left over. I do think though that the red one in particular they should have made more of that one because surely that was going to sell well.

I feel they could have done more at the boutique level. I speak only for Sydney, Aus here but I can tell you that nothing special is happening with collecting these ultra rare pieces. I would loved an evening with the other buyers of each piece, if released much closer together, to compare and talk about why we chose ours and what it means - let’s face it we are all collectors... except those buying to try and flip it... enough said about that. I also think the 50 x 5 watch sets should sit apart - I agree that this deserves a third of the output for deep pockets.

I guess they could have done that, but realistically, with so few pieces spread over the whole world, and taking out the pure flippers, how many people would actually be left to arrange a party for in each boutique?

I for one like it overall despite the problems. I’m very glad the didn’t price the single items into oblivion and I love both the 70s and 80s version - thought I’m not sold on some of the others till I see them. I hope these become real collectors pieces over time and Tag Heuer don’t rehash any of the specials into more mainstream items and ruin them.

It's a double edged sword that isn't it, surely it wouldn't be unreasonable for TAG Heuer to capitalise on the popularity of the red dial? As long as it was significantly different to the LE, say if it had normal subdials, maybe in white?
 
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The people that are buying Apple watches and only Apple watches are the people who were already using their smartphone as a clock. They were never going to buy traditional watches, period.

The smartwatch and the traditional watch markets are separate. I know of no traditional watch owners that would replace their "real" watches with an Apple watch. They might buy one as well, to see what the fuss is about, but never as a replacement.

Apple will sell plenty. They are overpriced peripherals for their overpriced smartphones. A new model comes out every year and just like anything that uses a microprocessor, will be obsolete and worth absolutely nothing in just a couple of years' time.

TH should not worry about smartwatch market. It is a low margin, high volume fashion-driven business, similar to the mainstream quartz watch market. Except that it's even harder to differentiate in smartwatches!

Everything that is not Apple uses Wear OS. And no watch firm could ever develop its own OS and app eco-system, and successfully gain any market share. It would waste untold millions (billions even) trying to.

It's telling that the Connected range was a modular system that ended up including a mechanical piece as a trade in for old digital ones. I wouldn't be surprised to see TAG drop the Connected range completely.

Comparing traditional watches to smartwatches is like comparing vinyl to digital downloads. Different products, serving different tastes, needs and budgets. Sometimes with the same buyers, but often not.

I don't think TAG Heuer will discontinue the Connected anytime soon, it has been a great success for them. Plus, if you sell a new Aquaracer, when will that (regular person) buy a new one? With the Connected you get repeat business, and if you're Albert AMG you also sell tons of accessories! I'm surprised that watch companies in general haven't caught on to the idea of selling straps as accessories. They launched the ladies F1s with quick change straps last year, when are they going to do that on the mens models?
 
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That's just what I'd heard from a TAG boutique. Probably misinformation!
 
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the next one of the 5 is gray, I was told it would come out in August. the gray "x" I have requested, next to the green that I have are the only two that I like. whoever wants the technical data of the watch can pass it privately.
 
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I have to say the original bad quality render was quite misleading I thought...
 
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Tag Heuer could do a bunch of things actually. But it starts with a good strategy and there's no sign of that. This year they will launch an Autavia heritage collection of watches that will cost more than the Tudor BB collection. Somebody please tell them these are 1500 to 2000 euro watches. These will not sell the way TH expects them to.
Why, the strategy is quite clear, as they are VERY innovative (Nanotech hairspring) and they cover a clearcut price segment (affordable luxury). Additionally they are addressing the present and the future watchcollectors by having heritage models, but also interesting stuff for the youngsters. All products always have at least a touch of adrenaline-asdociated style, even the elegant ones.
 
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Yes but, why Wednesday evening, is there a race somewhere, is it somebody in racing’s birthday?
This weekend is the F1 GP in Silverstone...
 
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This weekend is the F1 GP in Silverstone...

True... but do the drivers even get there before Thursday?