Plastic movement holder...

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I will not be sanding it back to service, even though they wouldn't be able to tell if it was opened. It is a huge pain in... to have it serviced, because I would have to send it abroad for service...
I have seen more photos of AR movement on WUS and there is a ton of people complaining about Calibre 5, as I said, it can happen, but TAG greatly increases the chances that something like this will happen by using the cheapest available (Swiss made) parts in the inside of the watch, even 350€ Steinhart uses Elabore grade movements. That is just disrespectful from TAG Heuer IMO.
 
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Mr @Spartan please dont hold back on details, even though people here love TH you should give us the full picture.

I love how my USD 300 Swiss military Hanowa automatic has a ton more decoration on the movement than a TH USD 2400 watch 😁
 
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Movement decoration doesn't improve accuracy though. Even a lower grade movement should be able to be regulated to keep good consistent time. You clearly have a defective movement and are entitled to a replacement.
 
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According to the European law I'm not entitled to a replacement. I'm only entitled to a replacement, if they botch the repair 3 times, but I would have to prove that, which would be very difficult since they have measured it at -6 s / day, and since I don't trust that service anymore and shipping costs of insured packager are quite high and there is very big chance of the movement failing again I will probably just buy proper top grade ETA 2824-2 and throw Calibre 5 in to the trash.
 
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All companies usually need a bit of prodding these days but if it's still outside of spec I'm sure Tag would have another go at repairing it. My guess is they replace the movement next time.
 
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They saw that the movement was beyond what could be regulated, and they left it like that anyway, I think that they would have already replaced it, if they were willing to do that at all.
 
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I would expect them to replace the movement of they could not adjust it within spec.

Don't hold back on your findings, noone here is wearing rose tints.
 
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Spartan Spartan
I think that they would have already replaced it, if they were willing to do that at all.
Not necessarily. It's shoddy, but as I say, you usually have to kick up a big fuss and complain again to get companies to behave properly these days.
 
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Yes that it possible, but at this point, considering the freight cost, swapping the movement seems to be the safer choice, and I will also have a much superior movement in the watch.
 
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Spartan Spartan
Yes that it possible, but at this point, considering the freight cost, swapping the movement seems to be the safer choice, and I will also have a much superior movement in the watch.
How you gonna find the brand new ETA2824-2 ?
 
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imagwai imagwai
Movement decoration doesn't improve accuracy though. Even a lower grade movement should be able to be regulated to keep good consistent time. You clearly have a defective movement and are entitled to a replacement.
Of course decoration has nothing to do with accuracy, did not mean it that way. Just an interesting side note on how much extra the customer pays for the TH logo on the watch...
 
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OttoWilliam OttoWilliam
How you gonna find the brand new ETA2824-2 ?
Like everything else, on the internet.
dtf dtf
Seems like a good watch to start the TH modding scene, it's there a YouTube video on how to be a watch maker?/
It makes no sense to mod TH watches, for the price of TH you can have actual well made Swiss watch that doesn't need to be modified. There is not much of watchmaking to show, as I said inside of the watch is made as cheap as possible, so swapping the movement is a 3 step operation.
 
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Spartan Spartan
It makes no sense to mod TH watches, for the price of TH you can have actual well made Swiss watch that doesn't need to be modified. There is not much of watchmaking to show, as I said inside of the watch is made as cheap as possible, so swapping the movement is a 3 step operation.

The issue is none of the swiss manufacturers make the watch that I want. Apart from possibly Omega, but its 8k. I really like the look of your aquaracer, so was thinking about buying one and modding it to suit.


Spartan Spartan
I'm very sure that there is a big difference in movement grade. Standard is the worst of four available grades and it has much more generous tolerances than higher grades.

I looked up the accuracy specs for the ETA 2824-2:
Standard: +/- 12s/day
Elabore: +/- 7s/day
Top: +/- 4s/day
Chronometer: Per COSC specs, but apparently the same as Top

The specs for the Selita SW200-1 are the same (see: https://www.leosics.co.uk/user/downloads/MOVE-SPECS/SW200-1_DOC_FULL.pdf). Notably the SW200-1 has 26 jewels and the 2824-2 has 25, but apparently this is just a marketing tweak.

Now compare the TAG's stated accuracy for a quartz watch:
-1 to +11s/month
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You are looking at the wrong spec, Isochronism basically tells how bad can the accuracy be over 24h.
dtf dtf
I really like the look of your aquaracer, so was thinking about buying one and modding it to suit.
I strongly recommend you not to do that, it is a waste of money, AR is extremely overpriced considering what is inside, and it certainly doesn't represent why I am a fan of horology. (Even though this Aquaracer has taken away a lot of my enthusiasm towards horology in general.)
Fortunately I have Omega Seamaster 300M, that is always in +/- 1s a day. I was about to buy a new watch next week (Breitling SOH II 42), but now I'm not in the mood to buy anything.
 
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You are looking at the wrong spec, Isochronism basically tells how bad can the accuracy be over 24h.

I strongly recommend you not to do that, it is a waste of money, AR is extremely overpriced considering what is inside, and it certainly doesn't represent why I am a fan of horology. (Even though this Aquaracer has taken away a lot of my enthusiasm towards horology in general.)
Fortunately I have Omega Seamaster 300M, that is always in +/- 1s a day. I was about to buy a new watch next week (Breitling SOH II 42), but now I'm not in the mood to buy anything.

All Breitlings are att least COSC so you know what to expect in accuracy.
 
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So I have decided to investigate the situation myself and I have taken a look inside. When the watch came from service they gave me paper with accuracy measurements and on average it did -6s / day.
I was wondering why did they regulate it to -6s / day. Well, here is why: the adjustment screw is turned to maximal + position and it couldn't be regulated more, so they have decided that -6 is good enough and further repair is not needed. As I wrote before, now it makes -20s / day
Here you can see the "beauty", base Sellita with plastic holder, as you can see the crown is the only think keeping the movement in place.
Out of the respect for calibre11 community and your love for TAG Heuer I will keep the rest of unpleasant findings for myself, but man... I feel like a damn fool for buying this watch, I couldn't be more disappointed.
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From what I've gathered from WatchUWant videos, moving the micro regulator is NOT the way to regulate a movement, the watch should be regulated properly and that should end up back in the middle. Not good.

Watch from 11:00
 
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Spartan Spartan
So I have decided to investigate the situation myself and I have taken a look inside. When the watch came from service they gave me paper with accuracy measurements and on average it did -6s / day.
I was wondering why did they regulate it to -6s / day. Well, here is why: the adjustment screw is turned to maximal + position and it couldn't be regulated more, so they have decided that -6 is good enough and further repair is not needed. As I wrote before, now it makes -20s / day
Here you can see the "beauty", base Sellita with plastic holder, as you can see the crown is the only think keeping the movement in place.
Out of the respect for calibre11 community and your love for TAG Heuer I will keep the rest of unpleasant findings for myself, but man... I feel like a damn fool for buying this watch, I couldn't be more disappointed.
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Spartan, I don't want to throw any oil on your findings, but many, many watches from all kind of brands, either quartz or auto have their movement installed like yours in the picture.
That means: 2 movement holding screws which you can see at 2 and 8 o' clock in your picture that keeps the movement attached to the movement holder, which keeps everything in place, tight.
Also noted, your movement holder is kept in place from turning around by the tube of the crown, and as far as I can see nicely in the middle.
So it's not the crown or crown stem that is basically keeping your movement in place, it takes more to do that.
With the setting of the regulation you are correct, screw maximum at plus, not good.
A good watchmaker knows what to do now next...😉
 
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Well, I just shared what I have found out, the fact that other watches are made like this doesn't make it any better or worse...
BTW I have decided to regulate the movement the proper way myself before swapping it and I was able to get it to around +1 second a day, so it might be a success story in the end, but I have to wait a few more days before I call it a success.
 
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