Is my Vintage Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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Hi all, thought i'd ask your opinion on the following. I did a bit of digging through OTD and the pink pages movements website. Looks like this is a dial and movement (Valjoux 7733) from the Heuer 73373 (Economy model - personally not a fan of its original case shape), but fitted in a Heuer 73323 case. I think I've got that right unless there was indeed a 73323 created like this? The hands also look from a 73323. I did scour the 'Gallery of Fakes' and not sure exactly where this would stand. Wondering what you all think of it? Any thoughts appreciated.

The Valjoux 7730 and 7733 seem to have been used interchangeably in the early 70s. I have a 7721 with a 7733 movement, which in theory was not used until later. Especially with references that were only made for a short period there also are "wrong" hands. The same might well apply to dials if they are the same diameter.

Whatever its history I do not see a compelling reason that it didn't leave Heuer's factory like that -- and it's an attractive piece in its own right IMO.
 
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Thanks for the response - interesting point on the use of these movements. And yes, I agree it is a good looking piece.
 
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Hello all..
somebody offer me this watch. what do you think ? is all original? the seller say its unpolished....

Thanks in advances guys... i still need a lot to learn in vintage watch....
 
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Looks good to me. Nothing wrong with a chrome-plate case IMO if it is in good condition, that's what I am wearing this week.

Go get it!
 
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Dear all,

Just a quick update on the Solunar.
It went through a movement service at a local watchmaker, cleaning, very light polish and new bracelet.
Final results below.
Thanks for the help!

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Dear all,

Just a quick update on the Solunar.
It went through a movement service at a local watchmaker, cleaning, very light polish and new bracelet.
Final results below.
Thanks for the help!

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Beautiful- the light polish was the right choice. Looks fantastic 👍
 
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Xeer Xeer
Curious to know your opinions on this 2448 carrera.
Nice 2nd execution 2448N. The gold plate looks pretty good except for one pusher, nice dial and hands too. If this is a possible purchase I'd go for it -- if I had the money 🙁
 
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Hello,
First post here and wondered if I could get some info on a Heuer pocket watch that's been worn and has seen better days. I posted on another forum but haven't received much info and thought there might be more specific Heuer knowledge here. A few smart guys did notice a few broken parts (minute recording jumper) and I'm trying to determine if this is original and if restoring it would be worthwhile since it would be very expensive. I searched online thoroughly but could not find a caliber number for this particular movement and it appears this era of Heuer pocket watches that the dial and movement were usually unsigned but at least the sterling case on this is signed. I found quite a few sterling chrono Heuer's but they were all 1940-50's. Here are some pics:

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Hello,
First post here and wondered if I could get some info on a Heuer pocket watch that's been worn and has seen better days. I posted on another forum but haven't received much info and thought there might be more specific Heuer knowledge here. A few smart guys did notice a few broken parts (minute recording jumper) and I'm trying to determine if this is original and if restoring it would be worthwhile since it would be very expensive. I searched online thoroughly but could not find a caliber number for this particular movement and it appears this era of Heuer pocket watches that the dial and movement were usually unsigned but at least the sterling case on this is signed. I found quite a few sterling chrono Heuer's but they were all 1940-50's. Here are some pics:

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Hi. This article may help:

https://www.calibre11.com/precious-metal-heuer/

The catalogue page shown here is from 1946: http://www.onthedash.com/Guide/_Catalogs/1946_Brochure/

I'd be cautious on value- stopwatches tend to trade at a big discount to chronographs, even for a nicely restored 70+ year old stopwatch in silver
 
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Thanks for the info and the reply. Your comment on the value of a Heuer pocket watch chronograph versus a wrist watch chrono is helpful and what I was trying to discover. I'm afraid it would cost more to service and restore it than it would be worth. That is disappointing since it is somewhat the movement that started the Heuer chronograph legend it is today. I am new to Heuer chronos but there are some great pieces and a lot to learn and it seems the dial is the largest factor when it comes to Heuer's.

This pocket watch chrono is an E. Heuer which is pre WWI and there is not much history or info available of Ed Heuer pocket watches from around the turn of the 20th century which was when the watch I posted pics of was made as it predates the Rose Watch Company. There is a picture in an article in onthedash.com that appears to be the closest comparable movement I have found and is in a "Transitional Chronograph" rather than a traditional pocket watch chronograph per OnTheDash.com.

http://onthedash.com/Guide/_Chronographs/zz.Oversized_Chronographs/

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There seems to be a scarcity of information available on anything E.Heuer and in large part before the 1940's. There is a fair amount on stop watches but not pocket watch chronographs. The movement in this pocket watch chronograph is very impressive especially in the early 1900's and I was at least hoping to discover a caliber number but I haven't had any success with that yet. If there is a caliber index anywhere that would be great but Dr. Ranfft's site did not have anything and I couldn't locate any other site with that info.

Thank you and I do appreciate the info and advice very much.
 
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Yes, the dial is very important...generally, cases can be repaired or polished. but once a dial is damaged it's almost impossible to revive.

Heuer made some amazing stopwatches/ pocket watches, but because they made so many of them (both total volume and the huge variety of models) and because they tend to be more niche than wrist watches, they have not increased in value to the same degree as chronographs.

Many of the early Heuers used Valjoux movements..but not sure on this one.
 
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I certainly agree with your comment the niche is rather small and that drives value. After scouring the internet I found countless stop watches and auto dash mounted watches and a fair number of 1930's and newer pocket watches. However, there are only a handful of "images" of the actual antique E. Heuer pocket watches or movements from the turn of the century or prior. It would be interesting to see numbers on how many actual pocket watch chronos were made by E Heuer prior to 1920 because I have only seen pictures of a handful.

I collect Patek, VC, Longines, LeCoultre and other Swiss pocket watches preferably with complications like a chronograph or repeater or moon phase. All of those are plentiful but if I wanted to buy a pre 1920 Heuer pocket watch chrono finding one for sale is difficult. That does not indicate a large volume or a huge variety available. As a pocket watch collector stop watches hold no interest for me but true time keeping pocket watches with complications from all the major brands are desirable. It is possible that due to all the stop watches made in quantity by Heuer that the chronograph time keepers have simply been overlooked.

E Heuer's prior to The Rose Company were not signed on the dial or the movement, only on the case, I can find plenty that are dial signed Heuer but they are 1930's or newer but there are very few "antique" Heuer's. I found two other pre-Rose Company Heuer's and on this one (pictured below) the serial number is 25 different from the one I posted 4931 versus 4956. The other is a beauty (pictured at the bottom) that was pictured in an article "7 Important TAG Heuer Chronos".

Antique Heuer pocket watches may not be considered valuable and that I understand but they are most definitely scarce unless there is a collector or seller that I couldn't find that has a fair number. I can't find a single example for sale online but will keep looking for them to add to my collection and maybe eventually the rarity of such a horologically significant historical pocket watch movement will be noticed.

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Hi guys, my friend just purchased this vintage heuer.

Is there anyone by any chance verify that it is legit ?

This is the only picture i got for now.

Any inputs will be appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Hi guys, my friend just purchased this vintage heuer.

Is there anyone by any chance verify that it is legit ?

This is the only picture i got for now.

Any inputs will be appreciated.

Thanks
Looks legit to me, although it's a CS3113 which dates from around 2001. So maybe not quite vintage yet. Looks to be some yellowing of the chapter ring and some flaking of the lume on the hands, in which case a service is probably advisable to make sure the movement isn't rusting or clogged with bits.
 
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imagwai imagwai
Looks legit to me, although it's a CS3113 which dates from around 2001. So maybe not quite vintage yet. Looks to be some yellowing of the chapter ring and some flaking of the lume on the hands, in which case a service is probably advisable to make sure the movement isn't rusting or clogged with bits.
Yes, i decided to post because the chapter ring looks yellow. So i wanted to ask.

Thanks for the pointer
 
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That watch is not vintage, but has been worn very hard....
 
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heuerbundwtachy.jpg Hi guys. Does anybody know what reference this is? It looks like a Bundeswehr dial but I haven't seen one with a Tachymeter before?

Steve
 
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The overall appearance is 1950s to mid-60s, but I do not think Heuer were using anything but round cases with external lugs until 1969. The Heuer shield looks very crowded, and the minute and hour hands are not matched in shape. The sub-dial hands are not matched but as far as I can see Heuer only used matched plain baton hands for all sub-dials. The railroad track minutes/seconds is unusual too, Heuers generally seem to have a single line with ticks sticking out.

Too many questions here 😵‍💫
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Hi,
how about that buckle, does some of you guys can say if its authentic?
Thanks for looking, appreciate your input! 😀

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