Is my Vintage Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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I don't know exactly when the switch occurred, and there most likely wasn't a "hard" switch, but IIRC, most low 60xxx's, maybe say 65xxx and below I've seen have the unsigned crown. Crowns do come up from time to time on the forums and eBay, or you can try contacting the more prominent Heuer focused watchmakers like Abel.
 
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Length of the minute hand is OK, the crown is definitely not original. Crowns for '60s Carreras had less height out from the case, whether they were signed or not - the only difference is that the earlier unsigned crown had a larger diameter.

Is that just for the Valjoux 72/92 movements? My 3647 unsigned crown (72xxx serial) is 6.30mm and the signed 7753 (106xxx serial, 7730 movement) is 6.72mm.

3647 on the left, 7753 on the right.

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I would expect a 72xxx 3647 to have a signed crown

I cannot vouch for its authenticity, but the watch shows no signs of having been tampered with in any way. The case is almost unmarked so I do not think it has had a hard life, based on its power reserve and timekeeping it has been serviced fairly recently though. The 7753 I can absolutely guarantee is original bar the crystal and a service in 2016.
 
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Certainly not doubting you, as there weren't any hard and fast cut offs or rules, but that would be my very general expectation based on what I've seen.
 
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Certainly not doubting you, as there weren't any hard and fast cut offs or rules, but that would be my very general expectation based on what I've seen.

I have a keen interest in Lotus cars and establishing what is genuinely original as one "series" morphs into another in the 1950s to 80s is similarly hard. As is working out how many of each were made -- Lotus had a very creative CFO 😎
 
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By the way, I want to thank all of you for such a warm welcome and all the infos! I have experienced different treatment of newbies in other experts forums 😀
 
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I don't know exactly when the switch occurred, and there most likely wasn't a "hard" switch, but IIRC, most low 60xxx's, maybe say 65xxx and below I've seen have the unsigned crown.

I see unsigned crowns up to 68, 69xxx on 2447s. I do think once you're into the 7xxxx you should have a signed crown.

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Is that just for the Valjoux 72/92 movements? My 3647 unsigned crown (72xxx serial) is 6.30mm and the signed 7753 (106xxx serial, 7730 movement) is 6.72mm.

3647 on the left, 7753 on the right.


Great question. Yes, I meant for the earlier column-wheel models - once we get into the cam-levers, we see many changes in hardware: Dial markers, fluted pushers, taller crowns. Seemed to coincide with the introduction of the compressor-case Autavia.
 
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I got my Heuer that weekend 🥰

It has a 76XXX serial number. Can I be sure I have to look for a "heuer" signed crown for that serial number? Can anyone suggest the year of production 😀

Thanks in advance!
 
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Very nice!

It has a 76XXX serial number. Can I be sure I have to look for a "heuer" signed crown for that serial number?

I think so, that is a very late serial for a 3647. 77xxx seem to be the last. Don't loose sleep over it though. For something 50 years old repairs & replacements happen. Everything else looks very good although it is possible the hands have been re-lumed.

If that is an original crystal then look after it, current replacements are not the same profile. I do not mean don't wear it, just avoid bicycle assembly or race-car gearbox disassembly. Both of which my 7753 has suffered which may be why it's on its fourth replacement crystal.


Can anyone suggest the year of production 😀

The Valjoux 7730 movements were definitely used in production for the two register Carreras by the end of 1969, possibly the middle, so I would suggest 1968 or early 1969.


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It has a 76XXX serial number. Can I be sure I have to look for a "heuer" signed crown for that serial number? Can anyone suggest the year of production 😀

You don't need to look for a signed crown, but if you want to return it to original spec then you will have to find one.

Your serial number falls in about midyear 1967, would be my best guess. (We see the earliest Camaros in the 93-95xxx range, and they first appeared towards the end of 1968.)
 
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Thanks for your answer! I see I asked the right people 😀 How can I tell if the hands have been re-lumed? I took another picture where the colours are more natural. To me it looks like the lume on the hands and dial is matching.

And can you tell from the pic below if I have an original crystal? Haha, no worries, I wont wear that watch for working on cars 😉
 
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Thanks for your answer! I see I asked the right people 😀 How can I tell if the hands have been re-lumed? I took another picture where the colours are more natural. To me it looks like the lume on the hands and dial is matching.

Well perhaps they were both done together.... The colour looks rather light to me, lumes generally tend to darken as they get older. The other thing I noticed is that there seem to be no gaps. My 3647 has lost about 5% of its lume and the 7753 about 0.5%. Both show up in the shadows of the hands in photographs taken under strong light, but are un-noticable on the wrist.


And can you tell from the pic below if I have an original crystal?

Looks good to me, AFAIK the currently available crystals have a flatter profile.

Haha, no worries, I wont wear that watch for working on cars 😉

I wore my first while working as a mechanic on international rallies (not professionally, for amateur friends). Most 🙁 of the time I would remember to take it off first. It has also been to sea in yacht races across the North Sea and around the sand-banks off the English east coast. The bulk of the damage to it has been while changing straps or bracelets with a pen-knife rather than the proper tool. And banging the crystal into something.
 
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Well perhaps they were both done together.... The colour looks rather light to me, lumes generally tend to darken as they get older. The other thing I noticed is that there seem to be no gaps. My 3647 has lost about 5% of its lume and the 7753 about 0.5%. Both show up in the shadows of the hands in photographs taken under strong light, but are un-noticable on the wrist.

Ah alright, makes sense to me 😀 Always thought the hands were made of solid metal

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I wore my first while working as a mechanic on international rallies (not professionally, for amateur friends). Most 🙁 of the time I would remember to take it off first. It has also been to sea in yacht races across the North Sea and around the sand-banks off the English east coast. The bulk of the damage to it has been while changing straps or bracelets with a pen-knife rather than the proper tool. And banging the crystal into something.

Haha I see you really used your watch! But well, I really prefer wearing these pieces instead of locking it up in a safe or something...
 
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Does your watch glow in the dark for more than a couple of seconds?

If it's been relumed - which I don't think it has, but if - it was nicely done and shouldn't be a concern.
 
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Not a huge expert, but based on what I can see, I also think it's original lume.
 
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Theres a really weak glowing of the hands for some minutes in the dark (can only see it when my eyes are adepted to the dark).

But when I put a real bright light on it, it glows brighter for several seconds.
 
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Theres a really weak glowing of the hands for some minutes in the dark (can only see it when my eyes are adepted to the dark).

But when I put a real bright light on it, it glows brighter for several seconds.
I have an all original Tissot from 1973 which does exactly the same.
 
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I have an all original Tissot from 1973 which does exactly the same.

Really interesting, so it could be original 😀
 
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Hi all, thought i'd ask your opinion on the following. I did a bit of digging through OTD and the pink pages movements website. Looks like this is a dial and movement (Valjoux 7733) from the Heuer 73373 (Economy model - personally not a fan of its original case shape), but fitted in a Heuer 73323 case. I think I've got that right unless there was indeed a 73323 created like this? The hands also look from a 73323. I did scour the 'Gallery of Fakes' and not sure exactly where this would stand. Wondering what you all think of it? Any thoughts appreciated.
Thanks, DLH.