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Is my Vintage Heuer Authentic? All questions here please
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abrod520
·Didn't know this. Thanks for enlightening
No problem. Interestingly enough even with the 'rebranding' these watches still bear the same references and serial number ranges as their Heuer counterparts. There's a small part of me that thinks wearing a Zodiac 1153 would be extra cool 😜
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YG_Rulz
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SteveP
·I found this photo of a Heuer Monaco 3 register on IG. The guy has marked this as manufactured in 1970 and has a Val. 7736 movement. Did Heuer ever make a 3 register Monaco? I've seen one in my limited hours of Heuer trolling.
http://www.onthedash.com/watches/reference-73633/
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YG_Rulz
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MRC
·No problem. Interestingly enough even with the 'rebranding' these watches still bear the same references and serial number ranges as their Heuer counterparts. There's a small part of me that thinks wearing a Zodiac 1153 would be extra cool 😜
Here is a "Zodiac" 7721. One of the rare photos where I managed to capture the cream colour of the dial.
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HoltzPlatz
·I found this photo of a Heuer Monaco 3 register on IG. The guy has marked this as manufactured in 1970 and has a Val. 7736 movement. Did Heuer ever make a 3 register Monaco? I've seen one in my limited hours of Heuer trolling.
https://tagheuerforums.com/threads/fs-heuer-monaco-73663b-in-top-condition.123259/
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injuhneer
·I have owned this watch since 1986. I wore it until a few years ago (it stopped after moisture got inside). I have not been able to match this watch to a legit model but it is close in appearance to some models but with slight differences.
The reference number is similar (230.306) than one listed on OTD (230.206).
I will also be looking for someone to service/repair it. I sent it to TAG. TAG in turn sent it back to me citing parts availability.
The reference number is similar (230.306) than one listed on OTD (230.206).
I will also be looking for someone to service/repair it. I sent it to TAG. TAG in turn sent it back to me citing parts availability.
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SteveP
·I have owned this watch since 1986. I wore it until a few years ago (it stopped after moisture got inside). I have not been able to match this watch to a legit model but it is close in appearance to some models but with slight differences.
The reference number is similar (230.306) than one listed on OTD (230.206).
I will also be looking for someone to service/repair it. I sent it to TAG. TAG in turn sent it back to me citing parts availability.
There is one on C24 currently, also showing a photo of it in the 1984 catalogue-
Heuer Very RARE Heuer Quartz Diver Chronograph 2000 series - ... for €5,319 for sale from a Private Seller on Chrono24
I won't comment on the pricing.
Not sure on servicing I'm afraid, which depends on your country also. Any good/reputable watchmaker who works on both chronographs and quartz watches (check that latter as not all do these days) should be suitable I'd think.
Thanks, Steve
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injuhneer
·Hi, yes this seems to be a perfectly legit Tag/Heuer 230.306, 2000 Chronograph. You don't see many of them-plus yours is what is often called a 'transitional' model-Tag dial but Heuer case/back.
There is one on C24 currently, also showing a photo of it in the 1984 catalogue-
Heuer Very RARE Heuer Quartz Diver Chronograph 2000 series - ... for €5,319 for sale from a Private Seller on Chrono24
I won't comment on the pricing.
Not sure on servicing I'm afraid, which depends on your country also. Any good/reputable watchmaker who works on both chronographs and quartz watches (check that latter as not all do these days) should be suitable I'd think.
Thanks, Steve
Thank you, Steve.
Now to search for someone to service the watch. I am in the USA. I did send it to TAG (their vintage shop) but they didn't attempt the repair because of parts availability. I am guessing that unless there are some NOS crystals and such out there that I would be happy with having it running again and not worry about the cosmetics. Maybe with a bit of vigilance I can locate a crystal.
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SteveP
·You're welcome. 👍 I would guess it's a standard flat mineral crystal so easy to replace for any competent watchmaker. Not sure if there is any dial damage but can see the bezel is well used. These would be much more difficult to find/replace though.
Best, Steve
Best, Steve
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injuhneer
·Other than the tired lume on the hands and dial the dial is in great condition. The watch stopped running after some water got in. I did open it and dry it out using some desiccant. I would like to have the crystal replaced. Again, thanks for the info. Now at least I have some idea of where to start.
Of course that will have to wait until I can get the back off the case. TH cranked it so tight my wrench won't open it.
Of course that will have to wait until I can get the back off the case. TH cranked it so tight my wrench won't open it.
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HoltzPlatz
·Here is a gold cased diver with the ref. 980.021 stamped on the caseback, which indicates it should be a bi-metal steel and gold colored example. Ref. 980.022 should be the gold case. I've researched and have found both variations existing. With other gold cased examples showing this 980.021 stamp and, curiously, steel cases displaying ref. 980.022 as well. Of course I also see both references matched to the "correct" metal colors too. Is this just another case of TAG using available parts to complete these or might these be considered Franken watches? What a mess...👎
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hansaboy
·Hi Guys, first post here, and trying to learn the world of Heuer!
And there is a Carrera 2447s thats up for an auction that i would like to get some feedback on.
Serial nr is 69950, so around 1965/66?
The hand look a bit weird with the different lume, and the case has lived a hard life, but i think that its a nice watch.
Thought about this piece, pros and cons?
And there is a Carrera 2447s thats up for an auction that i would like to get some feedback on.
Serial nr is 69950, so around 1965/66?
The hand look a bit weird with the different lume, and the case has lived a hard life, but i think that its a nice watch.
Thought about this piece, pros and cons?
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imagwai
·Hi Guys, first post here, and trying to learn the world of Heuer!
And there is a Carrera 2447s thats up for an auction that i would like to get some feedback on.
Serial nr is 69950, so around 1965/66?
The hand look a bit weird with the different lume, and the case has lived a hard life, but i think that its a nice watch.
Thought about this piece, pros and cons?
I'm not a massive expert on vintage. However, I have seen a few. The hands on this one, although different, both look consistent with the age of the watch and dial to me. Just that one has darkened a bit more. Dial seems to be in good nick, but be wary of strong lighting washing out the image. Would be good to get a photo at a slight angle also. Case, as you say has lived a hard life. My general advice on vintage is always to go for the best condition you can afford. But that said, if you like it and can get it at a good price, then I don't see anything on this one that would be a major red flag.
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hansaboy
·Thanks imagwai for your reply!
I will ask for more pictures, and this piece would be a "daily user" so the condition is ok for me.
I do like the clean look of the dial and also that its bit "smaller" that the usual watches (Bretling/Rolex/Omega etc)
I am from the Speedmaster world, and kind of tired with the different mixed-up pieces out there!
Take Care!
I will ask for more pictures, and this piece would be a "daily user" so the condition is ok for me.
I do like the clean look of the dial and also that its bit "smaller" that the usual watches (Bretling/Rolex/Omega etc)
I am from the Speedmaster world, and kind of tired with the different mixed-up pieces out there!
Take Care!
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blubarb
··I might rise, but I refuse to shine.Is this an authentic "no name" Pasadena dial? I read in an older post here that the Pasadena "no date" had dots at the 12, 3, 6 & 9 rather than the small rectangle tritium markers.
I did see that StewartM in his excellent summary of the Pasadena in OTD noted :
"Named & no-Named Differences
It has been noted that the dials between the 'named' and 'no-named' have small differences.
The 'named' dials have small rectangular shaped markers at the 12, 3, 6 & 9 hour positions. The 'no-named' models have dots.
The 'named' dials have longer seconds markers between the hour markers on the main outer dial.
An example has been found that 'breaks' the above observations, it is understood that this is most probably a transitional model, and further anomalies may be found in such models."
Given that everything looks to be authentic, is this possibly a "transitional" piece. I have been able to find three other "no name" examples with identical stick type markers at 3,6,9 and 12 in my internet searches.
Did anything definitive ever come out of the DOT DASHES discussion in Chronocentic's OND? https://chronocentric.com/forums/heuer/index.cgi?md=read;id=41073
I did see that StewartM in his excellent summary of the Pasadena in OTD noted :
"Named & no-Named Differences
It has been noted that the dials between the 'named' and 'no-named' have small differences.
The 'named' dials have small rectangular shaped markers at the 12, 3, 6 & 9 hour positions. The 'no-named' models have dots.
The 'named' dials have longer seconds markers between the hour markers on the main outer dial.
An example has been found that 'breaks' the above observations, it is understood that this is most probably a transitional model, and further anomalies may be found in such models."
Given that everything looks to be authentic, is this possibly a "transitional" piece. I have been able to find three other "no name" examples with identical stick type markers at 3,6,9 and 12 in my internet searches.
Did anything definitive ever come out of the DOT DASHES discussion in Chronocentic's OND? https://chronocentric.com/forums/heuer/index.cgi?md=read;id=41073
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Sir Reveller
·Here is a gold cased diver with the ref. 980.021 stamped on the caseback, which indicates it should be a bi-metal steel and gold colored example. Ref. 980.022 should be the gold case. I've researched and have found both variations existing. With other gold cased examples showing this 980.021 stamp and, curiously, steel cases displaying ref. 980.022 as well. Of course I also see both references matched to the "correct" metal colors too. Is this just another case of TAG using available parts to complete these or might these be considered Franken watches? What a mess...👎
I visited this guy as he is local. Great guy and a real enthusiast. This is a very nice condition 021 he picked up in Hungary, but as per usual the gold (two tone) was flaking off so he had it electro-plated 18k all the way to make it an 022 appearance. (Unfortunately I didn’t have any vinegar on hand to verify but it sure looked 18k lol)
So right to left as below.
Not necessarily what I would have done as it would bug me but it turned out quite nice in person. So yes a Franken but a very nice one!
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Sir Reveller
·Speaking of Frankens, came across this on Etsy…is this one or just a plain fake or a helluva deal ($400usd)?
I’m seeing a 3336 preCarrera …but this particular variation is not noted in OTD.
http://www.onthedash.com/watches/reference-3336/
I’m seeing a 3336 preCarrera …but this particular variation is not noted in OTD.
http://www.onthedash.com/watches/reference-3336/
