Is my TAG Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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It's been confirmed. My ebay exec guy was responsible. He sent it off to his " Risk Contact" department, and they just sent him notification of taking action. lol I'm just surprised something actually happened. I really didn't think it would, or at least not this quick, and without more effort.
 
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It's like a freaken disease.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/123880033677

This, is a seller that was scammed, by another seller. An innocent bystander, that thought he could make a few extra hundred bucks, and is now tied in with the overall fraud. Next, someone will buy it, wear it, and then sell it again, and you'll have a third generation sale of a fake.
 
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Genuine questions @jamesbizs ... How do you get to speak to eBay execs about things like this? And how do you manage to convince people in eBay, who won't be watch experts, that these are all fake without evidence from Tag? Do they have experts they consult on such matters?

And does the fact the sellers have been removed now make it harder for you to get your refund or is that sorted?!
 
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Done the same for 'Tradenvint', and here are there feedback results for the last year:

3 X 1000 Series (Wolf of Wall Street)
10 x 1000 Series (Full Lume Dial)
8 x 1000 Series (Red Dial)
2 x 1000 Series (Blue Dial)
2 X 1000 Series (Black Dial)
14 X CAC1110
15 X CAC1111
17 x CAC1112
4 X WAF1110
7 X WAF1111
5 X WAF1112
5 X WAF1113
8 X WAH1110
17 X WAH1111
23 X WAH1112
2 X WAJ1110
4 X WAJ1111
1 X WJ1110
3 X WJ1111
7 X WJ1112
2 X WJ1113
5 X WJ1114

Also noticed a comment in the feedback: 'Longines Hydroconquest - Lost in post, but sent a replacement'.... 馃槜

So between these two (supposedly unconnected) companies they've sold over 50 'pre-owned' 1000 Series divers in the last year.
Remarkable.馃檮
 
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Is it true that sending back to TAG for authentication is free? It seems unlikely.... I thought watch companies were like Archie Luxury (they don't do **** for free...).
Where i live, yes it is free to authenticating watch. But, i must go to the service center and they only open at working hour and non on weekends. So i cannot do it anytime i want. I still got jobs.

On the easier way. I posted on the instagram and see if anyone comment if there's any fakes. Which i hope i never get to see.
 
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Where i live, yes it is free to authenticating watch. But, i must go to the service center and they only open at working hour and non on weekends. So i cannot do it anytime i want. I still got jobs.

On the easier way. I posted on the instagram and see if anyone comment if there's any fakes. Which i hope i never get to see.

Hi Otto, yes it is free - I had it confirmed by my contact at TAG and also that one of the things they test is the steel used to make the case.

I was thinking actually, is the movement a reliable test of a watch's genuine status? If you had an old S/EL for example which needed a new movement, and it was replaced with an ETA or similar which didn't have 'TAG Heuer' stamped on it, it doesn't make the watch 'fake'. Is it like a car, where the chassis is actually the thing that determines authenticity? I mean we hear that Rolex are notorious for changing things when watches are sent back (dials, hands, parts) but while it does affect its 'value' nobody is suggesting any of those things make the watches 'fake'.
 
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Hi Otto, yes it is free - I had it confirmed by my contact at TAG and also that one of the things they test is the steel used to make the case.

I was thinking actually, is the movement a reliable test of a watch's genuine status? If you had an old S/EL for example which needed a new movement, and it was replaced with an ETA or similar which didn't have 'TAG Heuer' stamped on it, it doesn't make the watch 'fake'. Is it like a car, where the chassis is actually the thing that determines authenticity? I mean we hear that Rolex are notorious for changing things when watches are sent back (dials, hands, parts) but while it does affect its 'value' nobody is suggesting any of those things make the watches 'fake'.
Well in the end, the one that authenticating is still 'only' an 'expert opinion'. Albeit, you sleep better at night if it was authenticated in official service center than independent watch repairer

Similar parts with no stamp ?
Oh they have terms for that. Its not fake, but it can fall under the category of 'franken'. Not every case, but it might.

Depends on point of view, i guess.
 
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Genuine questions @jamesbizs ... How do you get to speak to eBay execs about things like this? And how do you manage to convince people in eBay, who won't be watch experts, that these are all fake without evidence from Tag? Do they have experts they consult on such matters?

And does the fact the sellers have been removed now make it harder for you to get your refund or is that sorted?!
I met him one day, at an ebay event. Thankfully I took his card. He said, if I ever had a problem, give him a call. Kinda rolled my eyes at that when I turned around. But hey, 2 years later, I had a huge issue with my account, and after a week of getting nowhere, I remembered his card, and called him up. He fixed the thing everyone said was impossible, with one phone call.

I'm honestly not sure how I convinced them. I provided them with all the info I gave you guys. Maybe the exec's word is all they needed?

I was told before, that there are people they consider experts, where their word alone, is enough for ebay. I asked him if it's true and if I can be one. He said he'd look into it. Never heard back... But a couple weeks later, I messaged him about this. And, well, he sent it off to his Risk guy, and boom, Done.

I'm honestly kinda surprised myself. Feels kinda weird that they took down multiple long standing 1000 feedback accounts, on my word alone lol right?

OR, maybe it had nothing to do with my counterfeit info, but the sellers all had the same IP or something like that, that connected them and showed they were breaking policy. I could ask.. but don't want to push my luck with his generosity.

I sent him off a list of 22 sellers that are currently selling fake Brand new F1's. ALL with almost the exact same account styles. So letting him deal with that for now.
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Whichever, it's a result that they've been taken down - well done. Still those watches will surface elsewhere unfortunately...
 
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Whichever, it's a result that they've been taken down - well done. Still those watches will surface elsewhere unfortunately...
Well, like imagwai or black said, it's a drop in the bucket... But at least some people will get their money back, and these guys will have a tougher time doing something they thought was super easy. Maybe it will shut them down. Maybe they will get raided? I don't know. We are talking about committing some major high stakes international fraud here.
 
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Well, like imagwai or black said, it's a drop in the bucket... But at least some people will get their money back, and these guys will have a tougher time doing something they thought was super easy. Maybe it will shut them down. Maybe they will get raided? I don't know. We are talking about committing some major high stakes international fraud here.

Yeah, just going off my figures which didn't even include the Longines, Omega or Seiko watches we are talking over 拢100k in the last year...
 
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Yeah, just going off my figures which didn't even include the Longines, Omega or Seiko watches we are talking over 拢100k in the last year...
Last time I looked at it, Just ONE of the sellers did about $100k+ in the last 3 MONTHS. That's as far back as I can see in the sold section.

These other guys selling Ultra fakes ( I thought mine was an ultra fake. It's garbage compared to these), have sold $200,000 in just the last two months...
 
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Here is another 2nd gen seller... Looks like he invested quite a lot into his inventory.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/mulinernyc/m.html?item=273972092744&hash=item3fca025f48:g馃榿vMAAOSwUWldQE7O&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

I'm going to assume he is also an innocent guy that doesn't know better. Could be wrong tho. He has sold something like $300,000 since May. Ugh. Now that I think about it, maybe he's in on it. When I sent him a message. I didn't notice it went back that far. . Ugh oh. He might be the final boss lol. Also located in NY like most of the other guys, and also has a no return policy...

I swear, it's like pulling at a sweater thread. Tiny little thing, is blowing up into a multi million dollar conspiracy lol
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So heres a question. Not that I haven't monopolized this thread as it is lol. It's easy enough NOW to tell these watches are fake. But what happens with the secondary market? I have no idea how to determine used ones to be fake. Or hell, these guys could get smart, and just remove the plastic wrap from these.... then what???
 
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So heres a question. Not that I haven't monopolized this thread as it is lol. It's easy enough NOW to tell these watches are fake. But what happens with the secondary market? I have no idea how to determine used ones to be fake. Or hell, these guys could get smart, and just remove the plastic wrap from these.... then what???
This isn't a new problem, though. Fakes have been around for ages. It's definitely getting harder, hence I've toughened up my advice these days. You simply have to do your homework, both on the watch and on the seller as well. If they can't satisfy you that they are a genuine seller and convince you that the watch was originally sourced from a genuine source (and there are so many factors you could take into account here, impossible to list them all), then you might as well forget it. Or, buy from an AD or reputable used watch dealer.
 
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This isn't a new problem, though. Fakes have been around for ages. It's definitely getting harder, hence I've toughened up my advice these days. You simply have to do your homework, both on the watch and on the seller as well. If they can't satisfy you that they are a genuine seller and convince you that the watch was originally sourced from a genuine source (and there are so many factors you could take into account here, impossible to list them all), then you might as well forget it. Or, buy from an AD or reputable used watch dealer.

I wonder how much longer we'll be able to trust reputable used watch dealers...
 
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I wonder how much longer we'll be able to trust reputable used watch dealers...
Exactly... There are some really good reputable sellers. They could easily be fooled, and become the unsuspecting "mule". My question, I guess, was more relating to my investigation lol. It's easy enough for me to take a watch apart, or send it to tag. But my one man crusade lol to prevent other people from falling into the trap, is going to get harder.
 
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I wonder how much longer we'll be able to trust reputable used watch dealers...
Even with the superfakes, experience and a loupe should be able to differentiate. But it's certainly getting harder all the time. Some watch dealers could certainy be taken in. Even more reason, if you're buying used, to look for evidence of provenance of the watch you're buying (such as sales receipts, stamped warranty cards, genuine boxes, even a story that checks out and doesn't raise alarm). You won't eliminate all of the risk, but you can certainly minimise it.
 
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What amazes me is the sheer volume of people who are very happy to spend $600 - $800 on a "mint" fake vintage watch, when authentic ones with a little wear are available for around the same money. Why would you want one unless you are interested in them, and in that case surely you would value a real one over a cheap fake? I just dont get it. They cant *all* have been fooled.
 
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I've read an article in swiss media, which mentioned the following facts:
- The swiss federation horlogere (FH) has estimated, that the financial damage caused by fakes to the swiss watch Industry in 2018 is about 800'000'000 CHF.
- The FH has constantly upped it's Manpower in the fight against fakes, today there are 16 people working in this department.
- 14 years ago they initiated the takedown of some hundred fake watches from online-shops. In 2018 it were 1'200'000 fake proposals.

The FH hast made a dedicated page and PDF for this issue:
http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/stopthefakes.html
http://www.fhs.swiss/file/28/2019t0066.pdf

I think the above work of the forum members who provide lists of the most faked watch references is very important work. Would be nice, if somebody put this into an searchable database. 馃摉