Is my TAG Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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Oh look, they've started on the Omegas now...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OMEGA-SE...DATE-CAL-1425-SWISS-QUARTZ-WATCH/283579714010

Oddly, they only seem to have three watches left since yesterday... this Omega and the ubiquitous red and blue 1000 Series
don't forget the longines lol. The Omega quartz is also rare, and yet all three accounts have unlimited numbers of all the styles..."

Give it time tho. Their listings just ended yesterday and these were listed the day before that. They will relist very soon.
 
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Contacted Tag heuer about the Formula 1's being sold, and asking if they are in fact sent with clear wrapping. This was their useless response.

We can confirm the website you provided is not an authorized retailer of TAG Heuer and the two-year international warranty we offer would not apply to timepieces purchased from this retailer. You would also have no assurance the timepiece you are purchasing is an authentic TAG Heuer or that it has not been tampered with by a third party.


We have provided a link to our online store locator below to assist in locating the nearest authorized retailer to you.


http://store-us.tagheuer.com/
http://store-us.tagheuer.com/

Like I said, They couldn't care less that these are fakes. They just want to send me to an AD instead.
 
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The positive thing about these fakes might be, that it will hopefully motivate customers to pay the fair prices asked by ADs to enable the future production of socially and environmentally sustainable high quality watches. It's a shame that people who don't try to get bargains at grey market are ridiculed by some.
As for the vintage watch market I don't like the idea of a free authentification service, since this is also human labor. Why do so many people today expect to get everything for free?
 
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The positive thing about these fakes might be, that it will hopefully motivate customers to pay the fair prices asked by ADs to enable the future production of socially and environmentally sustainable high quality watches. It's a shame that people who don't try to get bargains at grey market are ridiculed by some.
As for the vintage watch market I don't like the idea of a free authentification service, since this is also human labor. Why do so many people today expect to get everything for free?
you're going to attack people who buy watches on the grey market, that Tag Heuer and AD's themselves release into the market in the first place?? REALLY??
 
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you're going to attack people who buy watches on the grey market, that Tag Heuer themselves release into the market?? REALLY??
Of course it's also the fault of the companies that they overproduce, so the retailers need to sell those watches to the greys. But in the long run, the companies will be forced to control the sell out, not the sell in.
If you want to pay less all the time, you might think you're clever and a winner in the short run, but it implies a lot of hidden costs to the community of watch enthusiasts long term.
 
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The positive thing about these fakes might be, that it will hopefully motivate customers to pay the fair prices...………………………..

I don't think people are buying these watches knowing they are fakes!

I certainly didn't and am now £450 down and relying on eBay to recover my money.
 
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Considering they are hardly lifting a finger about the 1000's of ultra fakes currently on the market, which actually would DESTROY their credibility, far more than confirming a few 30 year old watches as real, then forgive me for having my doubts about the effort they'd put in for this.

Not to mention, all the grey market watches, that they wash their hands of. I love Tag, but I don't hold them up as high as some. Especially after doing QC for a distributor, and seeing just what garbage they are willing to release into the market.
I dont agree with you at all here. Do you seriously think that it is worse that they are not acting on a couple of fraudsters on ebay than if they would confirm fake watches as authentic when having them sent in for authentication?

Do you hold all companies in the world accountable for the criminals producing and selling counterfit products? Is it Rolex's fault that so many online stores sell fake Rolex?

Not saying that Tag should not act when they can but if someone could prove that Tag themselves after physically inspecting a watch would confirm a fake to be authentic, in my book that cant be compared to some fakes being sold online.
 
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I don't think people are buying these watches knowing they are fakes!

I certainly didn't and am now £450 down and relying on eBay to recover my money.
I really hope you will get that money back. I surely have compassionate feelings. I myself have been the victim of watch frauds in the past.
 
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As for the vintage watch market I don't like the idea of a free authentification service, since this is also human labor. Why do so many people today expect to get everything for free?

I must admit it surprised me, but then a lot of people would say that TAG Heuer watches are overpriced in the first place so there's plenty of fat in the system to pay for it. I more surprised just from the point of view that you would think they'd want to charge people just to keep the numbers down. Like when I went to Aston Martin the other week, they told me it should be £350 for the factory tour (which I thought was a lot) but then they don't want hundreds of people wanting a tour do they? Maybe they don't get too many authentication requests, so it's not a large burden on them. I would imagine most requests would be for older Heuers that are worth serious money (which then begs the question why not charge for the service if there's a lot of money in the watch and you have to take responsibility for it's safe keeping while it's in their possession?). On the one hand I can see your point, but on the other I think it's commendable that TAG Heuer offer that service for their customers, I mean we all know TAG get a lot of abuse generally, do you really want to make this a negative?
 
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you're going to attack people who buy watches on the grey market, that Tag Heuer and AD's themselves release into the market in the first place?? REALLY??

I don't think Remo's attacking people for buying from the grey market, he's saying those that do shouldn't mock those who choose to buy from an AD, which is not the same thing at all. Mr Biver has recently said that TAG Heuer are guilty of overproduction and they need to address this to stimulate value retention. And to be honest with the way the fakes are getting too good now I'm not sure it's worth risking it to save 20%. I know I wouldn't buy my Heuer 01 from a grey dealer these days.
 
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James, if you have such a low opinion of TAG Heuer, I'm confused to understand why you are going to so much trouble to uncover this fraud (commendable as it is)?
 
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Because I have nothing better to do, I have just been through 'watchcompany-1' (the one based in the UK) feedback and it seems they only started selling TAG Heuer during the past year. Before that it was Seiko and Omega they were peddling, now let's not forget, supposedly all these watches are pre-owned, they didn't find a stash of NOS in a cupboard somewhere (it would actually be more plausible if they were NOS!). So, going from the feedback (and let's not forget not everyone leaves feedback, so this is the MINIMUM sales figures), here is the 'TAG Heuers' they have sold in less than a year...

27 X 1000 Series
17 X CAC1110
12 X CAC1111
17 X CAC1112
5 X WAF1110
9 X WAF1111
6 X WAF1112
7 X WAF1113
13 X WAH1110
11 x WAH1111
15 X WAH1112
8 X WJ1110
7 X WJ1111
7 X WJ1112
9 X WJ1113
7 X WJ1114

Call it what you like, to me that is not 'suspicious' it is utterly damming. I bet Watchfinder wouldn't even go through that many of one model in a year!
 
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One of the cover names - tradervin - has had all his listings disappear in the last 2 hours. I think someone is copping on to this finally.
 
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Because I have nothing better to do, I have just been through 'watchcompany-1' (the one based in the UK) feedback and it seems they only started selling TAG Heuer during the past year. Before that it was Seiko and Omega they were peddling, now let's not forget, supposedly all these watches are pre-owned, they didn't find a stash of NOS in a cupboard somewhere (it would actually be more plausible if they were NOS!). So, going from the feedback (and let's not forget not everyone leaves feedback, so this is the MINIMUM sales figures), here is the 'TAG Heuers' they have sold in less than a year...

27 X 1000 Series
17 X CAC1110
12 X CAC1111
17 X CAC1112
5 X WAF1110
9 X WAF1111
6 X WAF1112
7 X WAF1113
13 X WAH1110
11 x WAH1111
15 X WAH1112
8 X WJ1110
7 X WJ1111
7 X WJ1112
9 X WJ1113
7 X WJ1114

Call it what you like, to me that is not 'suspicious' it is utterly damming. I bet Watchfinder wouldn't even go through that many of one model in a year!

Great work there. Thats over £10k in spurious TH 1000's alone!
 
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James, if you have such a low opinion of TAG Heuer, I'm confused to understand why you are going to so much trouble to uncover this fraud (commendable as it is)?
lol it's like your child. He does stupid shit here and there, and you keep hoping he'll turn things around, but at the end of the day, you still love them. I'm not being hyperbolic, when I say, dealing with Tag heuers is what encompasses literally the majority of my life at the moment. With a little omega sprinkled on the side. It's my life. But I can still have negative views of Tag Heuer. Ebay is also my life, yet I can rail on them all day long. It is what it is. We can love things, and still want to change the things we view as being bad about them.
 
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I don't think Remo's attacking people for buying from the grey market, he's saying those that do shouldn't mock those who choose to buy from an AD, which is not the same thing at all. Mr Biver has recently said that TAG Heuer are guilty of overproduction and they need to address this to stimulate value retention. And to be honest with the way the fakes are getting too good now I'm not sure it's worth risking it to save 20%. I know I wouldn't buy my Heuer 01 from a grey dealer these days.
Alright, fine. I read it wrong. I was on my way out of the house at the time lol. Sorry. I read it as him saying it towards grey buyers, rather than grey buyers saying it towards AD buyers. I can admit when I'm wrong. .


Sometimes.
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One of the cover names - tradervin - has had all his listings disappear in the last 2 hours. I think someone is copping on to this finally.
Umm. It appears that they are ALL gone.
 
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So, I think the ebay exec I was talking to, actually did something! Because, none of the recent listings are in the completed section. Which means they didn't end, but were deleted from the system. I believe.
 
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So, I think the ebay exec I was talking to, actually did something! Because, none of the recent listings are in the completed section. Which means they didn't end, but were deleted from the system. I believe.

It was a very abrupt end to them. There are 1 or 2 others in the same format ( one from Greece I think) that are still operating.

Another one:
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It was a very abrupt end to them. There are 1 or 2 others in the same format ( one from Greece I think) that are still operating.

Another one: https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-Tag...280560?hash=item23c3b517b0:g:ez0AAOSwqxddV9nU
Yeah, that looks exactly like these other fakes. But I don't think he's like these guys, as it's just the one. He might be an innocent bystander that bought from them. We will be seeing A LOT of them coming up in the coming years.
 
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