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2023 TAG Heuer Carrera 60th Anniversary (Panda - CBK221H)
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·Not 100% (maybe 90%) on topic, but I just realized that I still had a tab open with the following Hodinkee article from 2013 - back when there still was way more „serious watch journalism“ on that platform…
I think there’s a lot to like here… For pretty diverse reasons 😁
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/understanding-the-earliest-heuer-carreras
I think there’s a lot to like here… For pretty diverse reasons 😁
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/understanding-the-earliest-heuer-carreras
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·Not too small, it’s a common misconception. The early Carreras wear larger than their diameter suggests. The long lugs give it plenty of mass on the wrist.
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·Thanks again Kappa, I wasn't aware of this site. If the prices shown are relatively accurate, makes me feel better about spending $7400 on this baby. Sure I'd prefer a vintage original, but not will to spend that kind of money for one.
https://www.heuerpriceguide.com/price-guide
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·Scary, scary prices.
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·Are we still clinging to the idea that the watch is coming out tomorrow?
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·Not too small, it’s a common misconception. The early Carreras wear larger than their diameter suggests. The long lugs give it plenty of mass on the wrist.
1 - While the appropriateness of the on-wrist presence is undoubtedly important, there’s also the whole-body presence. I’m >190cm and 80kg. So while short-sleeved, a 39mm would certainly just look more cohesive overall (and I do wear vintage down to 35mm in winter).
2 - If TH assumes that for a boutique-only release a fair share of watches will be sold based on pictures plus spec-sheet alone, 39mm will make for a much easier sell, IMHO.
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·Not claiming TH should release 36mm Carreras now but simply pointing out that the original and ‘90s 36mm re-editions wear larger than their size would suggest. A 36mm explorer also wears large enough. While a 42mm Speedmaster wears like a 40mm watch, tops. Lug design, dial diameter, also in proportion to size of bezel or case edge,… all come into play. Not all 36mm are equal.
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·The photo above illustrates lug to lug 36mm and 39mm are very similar. The absense of a milky ring on the plexi 36mm also makes it appear close to the same diameter.
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·I love how this argument goes both ways.... they look basically the same in the pic, so 36mm isn't too small. But, they look the same in the pic, so surely the 39mm is fine. No?
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·Kinda. However, there’s also a third point that I forgot above… And that’s footprint-to-height ratio.
Let’s not forget that we’re moving from a hand-wound Valjoux (72?, IIRC), with what? maybe 12mm?, to an H02 with 14-something.
Let’s not forget that we’re moving from a hand-wound Valjoux (72?, IIRC), with what? maybe 12mm?, to an H02 with 14-something.
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·What is the actual difference in lug length? Cos it looks pretty similar to me.
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·Dunno. It’s apparently 47.7 mm for the glassbox
(Side profile views starting at 0.47min):
(Side profile views starting at 0.47min):
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·No I mean from the end of the lug to the case, not the lug to lug.
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·Kinda. However, there’s also a third point that I forgot above… And that’s footprint-to-height ratio.
Let’s not forget that we’re moving from a hand-wound Valjoux (72?, IIRC), with what? maybe 12mm?, to an H02 with 14-something.
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·The glassbox is like 11,5mm if you don't include the crystal. Does this mean it could be thinner than the original if one would simply just install a flat crystal on it
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·The glassbox is like 11,5mm if you don't include the crystal. Does this mean it could be thinner than the original if one would simply just install a flat crystal on it
Then again: Does the extra mm or two really matter? —>
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·Case size isn’t the issue, nor is the height of the plexi, the caseback is. Sunk in skin in bottom pic. Shave two mm off that and remove rotor.
