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·The hypocrisy of F1.
Webber takes Alonso through Eau Rouge, it's heroic and masterful...
This happens and 'everyone knows you don't overtake through Copse'.
Webber takes Alonso through Eau Rouge, it's heroic and masterful...
This happens and 'everyone knows you don't overtake through Copse'.
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Albert-AMG
··TAG Heuer Forums Moderator… this might also help Bottas and Hamilton crash into each other during lap 1 😎
Hamilton had the interior of that corner, so Max shouldn't shut down him from outside. For me it is a racing incident, but with more fault of Max in any case. A great first lap, too bad it ended up in an accident
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·Worst case scenario Max's lead is cut to 7 points and Merc and Red Bull are tied in the WCC.
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·Not exactly… 😉 this happens to you for wishing accidents to others! 😝
Hamilton had the interior of that corner, so Max shouldn't shut down him from outside. For me it is a racing incident, but with more fault of Max in any case. A great first lap, too bad it ended up in an accident
Totally agree..
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·At least Sergio took fastest lap.... 🙄
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·How embarrassing for Bottas, your teammate has a ten second penalty and still passes you and the guy in front of you... how Lewis can say Bottas is the 'best' team mate he's ever had with a straight face. 😁
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😀 #BritishGP
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·Well, at least Albert is happy! 🙄
I actually feel bad for Charles, but there was no denying Hamilton in his home GP.
I actually feel bad for Charles, but there was no denying Hamilton in his home GP.
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·So Hamilton gets a penalty for sending Verstappen flying and he celebrates like it’s his first victory. No shame.
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··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorSo Hamilton gets a penalty for sending Verstappen flying and he celebrates like it’s his first victory. No shame.
Hamilton already had the position won, and it was Max who had to give way and make room for the one who had won the inside of the corner, just like Leclerc did when Hamilton overtook him in the same corner. Max played hard and lost, but this does not mean that Hamilton has to stop celebrating his well-deserved victory, especially after having come back from an unfair penalty.
The stewards were undoubtedly influenced by the consequences of the touch, but that Max was the most damaged does not mean that Hamilton was more guilty in that incident.
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·Stewards:
“Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered turn 9 [Copse] with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside,” described the stewards in their judgement.
“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
Max was on the racing line and Lewis wasn’t. Lewis wasn’t alongside Max as the footage clearly shows. So Max was clear to follow his racing line into the turn and Lewis should have cleared. Textbook.
“Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered turn 9 [Copse] with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside,” described the stewards in their judgement.
“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
Max was on the racing line and Lewis wasn’t. Lewis wasn’t alongside Max as the footage clearly shows. So Max was clear to follow his racing line into the turn and Lewis should have cleared. Textbook.
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·Toto’s defence: “An accident involves two drivers “ 😁
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··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorThere can be as many different opinions as Stewards. I am also a Steward and I do not agree with that decision… possibly the penalty was not unanimous, but that is not reflected in the decision, which is always signed by all Stewards even if not all agree. Most of the Stewards of that race have made that decision, and other Stewards (because they are different in every race) could have made another. It does not mean that it is the absolute truth.
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·Hamilton nearly took Charles off using the same overtaking move. He's lucky Charles moved wide, otherwise the two would have touched, just like Max.
Hamilton got off easy IMO.
Hamilton got off easy IMO.
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·There can be as many different opinions as Stewards. I am also a Steward and I do not agree with that decision… possibly the penalty was not unanimous, but that is not reflected in the decision, which is always signed by all Stewards even if not all agree. Most of the Stewards of that race have made that decision, and other Stewards (because they are different in every race) could have made another. It does not mean that it is the absolute truth.
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··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorWhen you have half the car alongside the other in the interior of a corner, you have gained the position, and the other car cannot take the corner as if you were not there, because you have the preference in the line of the corner
Hamilton had clearly more than half car alongside Max when arriving at that corner. He slowed down to get around the corner, but Max kept going around the outside, turning toward Hamilton even though he had plenty of room to his left, and touching him. It is Max who collides with Hamilton and not the other way around. Hamilton had the wheel turned fully to the right, and it is Max who draws the curve as if Hamilton was not there.
To avoid contact, Hamilton should have braked clearly, giving up the position he already had gained, and Max should have done more to the left of him and at slower speed, coming out of the corner behind Hamilton. Neither of them gave in, and that's why they touched. For me it is just a race incident, as there is no single person responsible, both are. The difference is that Hamilton was already on the inside of the corner, and Max trying to overtake by outside in that corner is very risky, and of the two Max was the one who could do the most to avoid the incident... maybe Max is used to his rivals being scared and let him pass, but with Hamilton that didn't work for him.
Hamilton had clearly more than half car alongside Max when arriving at that corner. He slowed down to get around the corner, but Max kept going around the outside, turning toward Hamilton even though he had plenty of room to his left, and touching him. It is Max who collides with Hamilton and not the other way around. Hamilton had the wheel turned fully to the right, and it is Max who draws the curve as if Hamilton was not there.
To avoid contact, Hamilton should have braked clearly, giving up the position he already had gained, and Max should have done more to the left of him and at slower speed, coming out of the corner behind Hamilton. Neither of them gave in, and that's why they touched. For me it is just a race incident, as there is no single person responsible, both are. The difference is that Hamilton was already on the inside of the corner, and Max trying to overtake by outside in that corner is very risky, and of the two Max was the one who could do the most to avoid the incident... maybe Max is used to his rivals being scared and let him pass, but with Hamilton that didn't work for him.
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··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorI agree with Toto:
Toto Wolff
We have seen a dramatic and exciting race today with Lewis winning the British Grand Prix again and catching Charles at the end - I think that was something for everybody. As for the incident between Lewis and Max, it always takes two to Tango and these two competitors were not giving each other an inch. It's a high speed corner and that's why these things are nasty to look at, but there is a clear regulation that is black and white on paper - if the front axle is over the middle of the car on the outside, it is your corner.
This is a championship where the greatest driver of all time, a seven-time world champion is fighting with a tool that is maybe not as good as the other car, driven by an up and coming star who is trying to make his mark. And they collided and crashed. We have seen that in days before and with all the great rivalries in history, and this is what happened today. The most important thing is that Max is fine, and the rest of the race was great.
Toto Wolff
We have seen a dramatic and exciting race today with Lewis winning the British Grand Prix again and catching Charles at the end - I think that was something for everybody. As for the incident between Lewis and Max, it always takes two to Tango and these two competitors were not giving each other an inch. It's a high speed corner and that's why these things are nasty to look at, but there is a clear regulation that is black and white on paper - if the front axle is over the middle of the car on the outside, it is your corner.
This is a championship where the greatest driver of all time, a seven-time world champion is fighting with a tool that is maybe not as good as the other car, driven by an up and coming star who is trying to make his mark. And they collided and crashed. We have seen that in days before and with all the great rivalries in history, and this is what happened today. The most important thing is that Max is fine, and the rest of the race was great.
