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Hello Jim

The TH-31 was specifically designed by AMT for Tag Heuer. It's not shared with any other brands.

I know TH-31 is made by a subsidiary of Sellita, but
it's like the work ETA is doing for Longines, they manufacture bespoke movements for them, not used by/shared with any other brands.

So despite being created by ETA, said movements presents in the Zulu Time and the recent Spirit Flyback can be considered Manufacture designs.

TH-30 is based on designs created by Kenissi for Tudor, designs since then shared with many brands, Norqain, Breitling and Fortis just to name a few.
 
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On a side note, the recent 7% price increase seems to be the last step of a progressive but rampant prices increase.

My first Tag, Formula 1 Automatic WAZ2011.BA0842 that I bought in 2019 for EUR 1600€, is know costing a whopping EUR 2250.

That's a 40% increase in less than five years, and it's the exact same watch.
I know inflation hits hard and all but still, it feels like a lot.
 
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Hello Jim

The TH-31 was specifically designed by AMT for Tag Heuer. It's not shared with any other brands.

I know TH-31 is made by a subsidiary of Sellita, but
it's like the work ETA is doing for Longines, they manufacture bespoke movements for them, not used by/shared with any other brands.

So despite being created by ETA, said movements presents in the Zulu Time and the recent Spirit Flyback can be considered Manufacture designs.

TH-30 is based on designs created by Kenissi for Tudor, designs since then shared with many brands, Norqain, Breitling and Fortis just to name a few.
Thanks for clarifying. I still find this whole thing to be a classic good ol' Swiss mega scam. TAG Heuer buying a movement from a third party and calling it "in-house" on the product specification just because it is only sold to TAG Heuer is insanely misleading in my opinion. It will be interesting in the future when or if Sellita sells this movement architecture to other brands, is it still manufacture then 😜 I imagine that the deal between TAG and them aint infinite and that in 3-5 years they will sell this movement to other brands too. Also, I wonder how much is actually really unique and one could suspect that Sellita (AMT) has plenty of other calibers with very similar architecture sold under other names to other brands? Or is there proof of the TH31 actually being designed and built from scratch, made completely different from all other movements AMT produce, just for the sake of making it unique and different? 🙄 Which also feels kind of ridiculous and inefficient when I think about it.

IIRC when TAG launched the TH30 they also talked about that one being "developed in partnership with Kenissi and made exclusively for TAG Heuer".

Anyway, I just think it hurts TAG Heuer when they use false marketing and intentionally mislead their customers. I think that will come back and bite them in the ass. I am sure everyone respects the capacity and features of the movement and that would be plenty enough, why do they need to add the lie that the movement was made in TAG's house. I mean, I know why, fashion lifestyle tabloids like hodinke has made new fans believe that a movement has to be in-house to be good. TAG feels they need to put those magic words on their spec sheet for consumers to think the movement is good...
 
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Wow the Counsel did not appreciate the new gold and two-tone Aquaracers huh 😲

I do like your new way of presenting the score for each watch Rob, looks real nice and gives a great overview 👍
 
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Thanks Jim, and thanks for pointing out how rubbish it was before. 😁
That's what the world needs right now, more constructive criticism and less snowflakes!
 
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Doesn't it feel like the F1 has just been facelifted (ever since the Red Bull)... should probably keep it going for a few years yet.
 
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Thanks Ben. Just finishing up editing me and Jim's chat about the Watches and Wonders releases (TAG Heuer), which should keep you entertained for a few minutes.
 
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Thanks for clarifying. I still find this whole thing to be a classic good ol' Swiss mega scam. TAG Heuer buying a movement from a third party and calling it "in-house" on the product specification just because it is only sold to TAG Heuer is insanely misleading in my opinion. It will be interesting in the future when or if Sellita sells this movement architecture to other brands, is it still manufacture then 😜 I imagine that the deal between TAG and them aint infinite and that in 3-5 years they will sell this movement to other brands too. Also, I wonder how much is actually really unique and one could suspect that Sellita (AMT) has plenty of other calibers with very similar architecture sold under other names to other brands? Or is there proof of the TH31 actually being designed and built from scratch, made completely different from all other movements AMT produce, just for the sake of making it unique and different? 🙄 Which also feels kind of ridiculous and inefficient when I think about it.

IIRC when TAG launched the TH30 they also talked about that one being "developed in partnership with Kenissi and made exclusively for TAG Heuer".

Anyway, I just think it hurts TAG Heuer when they use false marketing and intentionally mislead their customers. I think that will come back and bite them in the ass. I am sure everyone respects the capacity and features of the movement and that would be plenty enough, why do they need to add the lie that the movement was made in TAG's house. I mean, I know why, fashion lifestyle tabloids like hodinke has made new fans believe that a movement has to be in-house to be good. TAG feels they need to put those magic words on their spec sheet for consumers to think the movement is good...

Yeah I can definitely see what you mean. Tag has a wonderful history of false marketing here and there.

One of the most recent examples that comes to mind is the recently released Autavia GMT.

This watch is priced at EUR 4550, one thousand flat more than the very comparable Zulu time (albeit this one is a true GMT) and 250 more than the Black Bay GMT Pepsi on bracelet (!!).

Here's a screenshot of Tag's webpage regarding the watch.



You can clearly see that Tag boast about the Calibre 7 being manufacture and all, which could explain the ridiculously high pricing. But it's not.

It's just the same Sellita SW330-1 you can find in any other GMT of Tag's portfolio. Albeit in COSC form I'll give them that much.

Tag didn't even bother using the SW330-2, an upgraded version with several modifications allowing a higher power reserve of 56 hours.
Formex are using it in their Reef GMT, a watch that cost half less.



I know comparisons with micro-brands is useless, but still, paying twice as much to get not even as much feels like daylight robbery.

SW330-1 has simply 42 hours of power reserve, but Tag will lie again and tell you it's 50, to add insult to the injury.

Not a true GMT, not a Manufacture movement, yet sold & marketed as such.
Shame on you for that one Tag.
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Thanks for clarifying. I still find this whole thing to be a classic good ol' Swiss mega scam. TAG Heuer buying a movement from a third party and calling it "in-house" on the product specification just because it is only sold to TAG Heuer is insanely misleading in my opinion. It will be interesting in the future when or if Sellita sells this movement architecture to other brands, is it still manufacture then 😜 I imagine that the deal between TAG and them aint infinite and that in 3-5 years they will sell this movement to other brands too. Also, I wonder how much is actually really unique and one could suspect that Sellita (AMT) has plenty of other calibers with very similar architecture sold under other names to other brands? Or is there proof of the TH31 actually being designed and built from scratch, made completely different from all other movements AMT produce, just for the sake of making it unique and different? 🙄 Which also feels kind of ridiculous and inefficient when I think about it.

IIRC when TAG launched the TH30 they also talked about that one being "developed in partnership with Kenissi and made exclusively for TAG Heuer".

Anyway, I just think it hurts TAG Heuer when they use false marketing and intentionally mislead their customers. I think that will come back and bite them in the ass. I am sure everyone respects the capacity and features of the movement and that would be plenty enough, why do they need to add the lie that the movement was made in TAG's house. I mean, I know why, fashion lifestyle tabloids like hodinke has made new fans believe that a movement has to be in-house to be good. TAG feels they need to put those magic words on their spec sheet for consumers to think the movement is good...

For this one at least, it ain't misleading. Tag Heuer submitted their desired specs, and AMT is building the movement for them. TH-31 wouldn't exist without Tag input.