The “TAG” in TAG Heuer

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It only keeps coming up as people don’t accept its TAG Heuer and are living in the past with Heuer.
People seem to have this view that Heuer is better.
No, that's not it at all. It's neither of those reasons.

You don't get it and I don't want to explain things yet again. Let's leave it at that.
 
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No, that's not it at all. It's neither of those reasons.

You don't get it and I don't want to explain things yet again. Let's leave it at that.
Oh I get it, but the name is the name, however it became it. Happy to leave it at that though. 👍
 
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I had to google "paracetamol" to see what the heck that was. :0
We clearly have a yankee here, who learned something for his next trip abroad… 😁

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Oh I get it, but the name is the name, however it became it. Happy to leave it at that though. 👍
We could discuss steel vs. quartz, automatic vs. hand-wound or what’s a proper mean’s watch size instead 😜
 
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We clearly have a yankee here, who learned something for his next trip abroad… 😁

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What to mix with Irn Bru to cure his hangovers!
 
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We clearly have a yankee here, who learned something for his next trip abroad… 😁

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Ah boys, be kind! Some of us don't live in Worcestershire Sauce Village or some other fancy named part of the world.
 
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Ah boys, be kind! Some of us don't live in Worcestershire Sauce Village or some other fancy named part of the world.
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They must have had an agreement up front as there’s no way Porsche would have given up the name that easily.
Porsche actually didn't want their name on it in the beginning in case it was a flop.
The agreement was TAG paid a lot of money, and Porsche was merely a subcontractor. McLaren came up with the base design parameters for the engines.
 
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Porsche actually didn't want their name on it in the beginning in case it was a flop.
The agreement was TAG paid a lot of money, and Porsche was merely a subcontractor. McLaren came up with the base design parameters for the engines.
Welcome to the forum!

Thanks for that information. So the assumption that TAG pushed Porsche out, name wise, is not as simple as suggested. Turns out it suited everyone then.
 
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Porsche actually didn't want their name on it in the beginning in case it was a flop.
The agreement was TAG paid a lot of money, and Porsche was merely a subcontractor. McLaren came up with the base design parameters for the engines.
I have never read that Porsche didn't want their name on it. They simply didn't want to foot the bill for the development. In fact, the engine is co-branded TAG Turbo and Porsche. What's your source?

Every article I've read states that McLaren initially approached Porsche outright. Porsche was agreeable to design the engine for McLaren but not the costs involved. Hence, McLaren's Ron Dennis approached Mansour Ojjeh to help cover the costs; TAG agreed to finance the engine but in exchange for joint naming rights and an ownership stake in McLaren.

https://medium.com/formula-one-fore...heir-name-on-f1s-first-turbo-era-57398478623f
 
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Either way, this is a sport all about sponsorship, with no major sponsor not having their name all over what they paid for. If Porsche chose a big money deal over the naming of the engine, then that was their choice. They don’t appear to have had any problem with that?
 
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They don’t appear to have had any problem with that?
Never said they did.

My previous point was jokingly about Ojjeh's hubris and his need to name everything TAG. Whether it be a Porsche engine or a Heuer watch company.😉
 
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Never said they did.

My previous point was jokingly about Ojjeh's hubris and his need to name everything TAG. Whether it be a Porsche engine or a Heuer watch company.😉
I hear you. I just see it as a win / win situation. Porsche got the cash they wanted and Ojjeh got his name on the engine to satisfy his desire too. Same again for TAG Heuer.
 
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I hear you. I just see it as a win / win situation. Porsche got the cash they wanted and Ojjeh got his name on the engine to satisfy his desire too. Same again for TAG Heuer.
Agreed, and the biggest winner was McLaren, winning 3 WDCs with that engine.

The situation back then with Mansour Ojjeh & TAG isn't that different from Ronnie Fieg & KITH when you think about it. 🤣🤦
 
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Agreed, and the biggest winner was McLaren, winning 3 WDCs with that engine.

The situation back then with Mansour Ojjeh & TAG isn't that different from Ronnie Fieg & KITH when you think about it. 🤣🤦
Definitely right about McLaren.

Didn’t TAG acquire Heuer though, whereas Kith didn’t?
 
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Definitely right about McLaren.

Didn’t TAG acquire Heuer though, whereas Kith didn’t?
Minor detail, LOL

The way I look at it, McLaren needed a new partner (i.e. TAG) to make the Porsche F1 engine happen. Just like TAG Heuer said they needed a partner to bring back the OG F1. They both ended up choosing a partner that required a rebrand of sorts as a key condition of the deal. Seems like Ojjeh/TAG and Fieg/KITH are quite similar in that regard.

What made Ojjeh decide to buy Heuer in the first place I wonder? I'd guess a personal desire by Ojjeh to be associated with Swiss Luxury, similar to his desire to be associated with F1. Can you imagine if Mohamad Al Fayed had changed "Harrods" to "Fayed Harrods" when he purchased the famed luxury department store? That's basically what Ojjeh did.
 
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Minor detail, LOL

The way I look at it, McLaren needed a new partner (i.e. TAG) to make the Porsche F1 engine happen. Just like TAG Heuer said they needed a partner to bring back the OG F1. They both ended up choosing a partner that required a rebrand of sorts as a key condition of the deal. Seems like Ojjeh/TAG and Fieg/KITH are quite similar in that regard.

What made Ojjeh decide to buy Heuer in the first place I wonder? I'd guess a personal desire by Ojjeh to be associated with Swiss Luxury, similar to his desire to be associated with F1. Can you imagine if Mohamad Al Fayed had changed "Harrods" to "Fayed Harrods" when he purchased the famed luxury department store? That's basically what Ojjeh did.
Just a minor one. 😊

Ojjeh and Fieg do sound similar in that respect, but are also not unlike a lot of these types of people with enough money to stamp their name on most things they touch.

I hear your point, regarding the name change to TAG Heuer, but he acquired a company that may or may not have still been around now and it was is prerogative to do what he liked name wise after that. I also accept that this isn’t the done thing in Swiss horological circles.

I probably wouldn’t have had such a strong feeling about Kith going on the dial on the F1’s had the whole issue with TAG being in the name been such a major thing. It often feels like people see anything Heuer being better than TAG Heuer, when the irony is they’re the same thing. Arguably, the quality is better as TAG Heuer just by the very nature that manufacturing has improved over time.

As for TAG Heuer needing Kith to make this happen, that’s definitely not from a monetary point of view, like it was with the TAG Turbo Porsche situation, but more about them literally not having the confidence to put it out there as a new product if its own. That part of the release was a shame, considering they’re all about avant garde. I guess TAG were, but LVMH are not.

Anyway, most importantly, it’s nice to discuss this openly and in a lighthearted manner. 👍🏽
 
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Forgot about the Harrods point you made. That’s a fair comparison. I kind of get the point you’re making, but personally it would not have bothered me tbh. I don’t get dragged down by brand names, as long as they continue to sell or make the product I want.

You are right though, some people would make a huge deal of that in the UK, that’s for sure.
 
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Ron Dennis (CEO of McLaren) and Mansour Ojjeh (CEO of TAG Group and owner of TAG Heuer 1986-1999) wearing their TAG Heuer S/EL watches at the US GP in 1990.

The duo who made McLaren the F1 team to beat, were also a driving force behind TAG Heuer's success after TAG's acquisition of Heuer (IMHO). When LVMH purchased the brand from TAG in 1999, it was revealed that besides Ojjeh, Ron Dennis was also one of the largest shareholders. While Jack Heuer is well remembered for Heuer's golden age in the '60s-'70s, I feel the McLaren duo's contribution to the TAG Heuer brand during their formative years isn't given enough credit.

EDIT: This is speculation on my part, as TAG Heuer's history in this era isn't well documented; Ojjeh seemed to keep his business dealings away from the spotlight. But it's my belief that without these two, TAG Heuer may not have been the success it was in the late '80s & '90s.
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I agree. I prefer the Techniques d'Avant Garde logo myself. Maybe TAG Heuer wanted to separate themselves from Techniques d'Avant Garde as part of the reasoning behind the new logo? Never thought of it that way.
Now with more hindsight, I believe this may have been a big part of the background behind the logo change to the current style.

I suspect TH's (Biver's) falling out with Ron Dennis & McLaren had something to do with it. Especially as Mansour Ojjeh was part owner of McLaren and it was his company's logo that had been on the watches since 1986. I'd be curious to know in what legal capacity does TAG Heuer currently have to even use the Techniques d'Avant Garde logo. 🤔

2015 McLaren team still wearing the original logo.

2016 Red Bull team with the new logo.
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