New Post- 2020 TAG Heuer Carrera Elegant Chronograph 42mm

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To be fair, Seiko and Swatch chapter ring or bezel are mostly misaligned. But their price is "cheap" so no complaint there from me.

My Rolex however, everything is on point, it was great. But the movement failed me one time and i need to serviced it for a price. Well not the entire movement, the hour and minute hand still moving just the running second hand didn't. It happened. But yeah the quality of the movement and built is excellent. Could it be because they made rather simple watch and over the years adopt the no-nonsense attitude along the way ?

What i am surprised to learnt in here today, not everyone like noisy rotor ! I was into mechanical watches the first time because my friend (my watch mentor to be honest) told me using mechanical watches is like having a motor racing machine in your wrist. It's noisy, you can feel it rotation, etc etc. It what was gotten my attention about watches in the first place which otherwise i wont start the whole journey ! Then later i found out not all movement you can feel the rotor moving and sound. I found out most of the ETA based manual wounding tend to be noisier than the self winding one, etc etc. I learnt along the way. But really the one thing that got me interested was the "ticking-ticking" sound and the sound of rotor "wheeezzzzzz"ing.
That is why until now i still like the Valjoux 7750 based regardless the 6-9-12 register dial setup because it is loud and feels like "pulsating" in your wrist, if that makes sense.

I also think that the rotor spin and spin and spin without so much weight being put on it is a good thing. This is personal opinion of course, because my friend own Patek Aquanaut. And one thing he told me how to spot Aquanaut real and fake it by the spinning of the rotor. The real one he said will spin and spin and spin without so much effort needed and it was so soft. Of course he showed me about it. I don't know whether this one is a good indicator or not but he surely owned a Patek and i don't.

Not defending Tag Heuer or anything (I have issues with few of my Tag Heuer watches as well) but i think it is normal. I experiences other brands out there also have the same problem sooner or later, it just to many factors about mechanical watches that made it so. I guess it's inevitable. like cars, no matter what car it is, at the end of the days...you know...

@THJunkie thanks for giving your honest opinion 👍 we always learnt new things in this great forum everyday.

As you say, part of the appeal of mechanical watches is exactly that they are like engines and engines go wrong. Even when they do work fine they seem to cause more stress than joy (for me anyway, and I don't even wear them long enough to notice the timekeeping side of things), which is why I have 80% quartz pieces - although I am looking at a Kirium chronometer... 😗
 
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5. New 2020 Carrera, 42mm. TAG Heuer scaled the watch to 42mm, but the lug-to-lug length is 48.2mm. Nice.
Great work!
Just look at those stunning Carreras on the left. The overall Carrera look seems lost on the new watch and the main issue is with the lugs. Disproportionately large, they are the defining Carrera feature on the original. They now appear to be smaller on the new watch than on the 36mm original, even in absolute length 😵‍💫. I understand they can't scale up the exact 36mm proportions as the lugs would stick out, but this is plain bizarre. Lug to lug the watch is now 7mm smaller than that Transocean 🤨
I expect this has to do with the 'let's try to please everybody' design language TAG Heuer has adopted over the recent years. I hope future Heuer editions will keep embracing the vintage quirky, like the Montreal Carrera.
 
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What I really like about the new 42mm Carrera Chronograph is that they've kept the lug-to-lug length down to 48.2mm (according to Jeff Stein). Other companies haven't done that when they create new watches sized up to modern tastes.

In the figure below, I show from left to right:
1. Original Heuer 2447 Carrera, 36mm.
2. Original Heuer 2447 Carrera proportionally scaled up to have a dial width of 43mm. Note that if the lugs are scaled proportionally to the case, then the lugs would stretch out quite far.
3. Breitling Transocean Chronograph 43mm from around 2015. Breitling scaled the case up to 43mm, but they also scaled up the lugs. Tim Mosso says the lug-to-lug length is 55.2mm.
4. Bucherer Manero Flyback Chronograph, 43mm in current collecton. Bucherer also scaled the whole watch up, including the lugs. Mosso says the lug-to-lug length is 53.2mm.
5. New 2020 Carrera, 42mm. TAG Heuer scaled the watch to 42mm, but the lug-to-lug length is 48.2mm. Nice.


I think one of the best things about the 2447 case is the long oversized lugs. It is one of the things that a watch at 36mm (ok really 35.5mm) still looks great on the wrist after all these years. I get they had to shorten the Lugs on the 42mm case as it would be huge but I think a 39mm case they already have captures this better.

Though imagine their target market wants something in 42mm case size but I think a 39mm case with longer lugs is the better option then a 42mm case. I also freely admit that I am not the target demographic when they are selling this watch and they are pointing the 160 limited edition to folks like me.
 
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The first part of this Federico Talk Watches talked about how 7750 wobble and loud. The way i like it 😬
 
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The first part of this Federico Talk Watches talked about how 7750 wobble and loud. The way i like it 😬
I dont like these types of click bait videos where online idiots tell people wat they should or should not buy
 
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If the 42mm Carrera had longer lugs you lot would be shouting it down for being ridiculous and impossible to wear unless you were 20 stone with a 9" wrist.... they really can't win can they? I thought 50mm lug to lug was the 'accepted' max for most people, in which case 48.2mm is bang on for the market. I was surprised how well the new 44mm Carreras wore on the wrist I imagine these will be the same.
 
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they really can't win can they?
That's the problem. There's a lot of fuss about things which are only a matter of personal taste. I like the discussion, but I don't like the vituperative attacks which can sometimes be found in the watch forums.
 
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If the 42mm Carrera had longer lugs you lot would be shouting it down for being ridiculous and impossible to wear unless you were 20 stone with a 9" wrist.... they really can't win can they? I thought 50mm lug to lug was the 'accepted' max for most people, in which case 48.2mm is bang on for the market. I was surprised how well the new 44mm Carreras wore on the wrist I imagine these will be the same.

 
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Well yes, but you see the original 'Adam West' version was perfect wasn't it, everything that came after just wasn't as legible and got bigger and bigger until it was just a big flashy mess. Same with the Ceaser Romeo...
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Are you describing the movies or the Carrera? 😁
 
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The first part of this Federico Talk Watches talked about how 7750 wobble and loud. The way i like it 😬
Do people choose to 'start a watch collection'? Isn't it something that just 'happens'? Like any hobby? Who 'chooses' a hobby, bloody millenials!
 
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vituperative

Well, there is a word I have never heard before and have now learned. I intend to use it. Thank you!
 
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If the 42mm Carrera had longer lugs you lot would be shouting it down for being ridiculous and impossible to wear unless you were 20 stone with a 9" wrist.... they really can't win can they? I thought 50mm lug to lug was the 'accepted' max for most people, in which case 48.2mm is bang on for the market. I was surprised how well the new 44mm Carreras wore on the wrist I imagine these will be the same.
I have had the opportunity to quickly try on the new 42 (alongside the 44) at a local Bucherer yesterday, and I second that:
IMHO, TH has done a stunning job at combining a modern dial size (for a chrono) with a universally wearable L2L, which should really make the largest imaginable audience happy. Same for the 44, but in comparison I found it a little bit too busy and less “Carrera-classy” than the 42.

Would I want to buy the 42? Maybe - but holding back to see which Panda-variants TH might come up with.
 
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As regards pricing (We have had this discussion for the 44 already):
I think we can all agree that ALL Swiss in-house chrono are ridiculously overpriced these days. But at least - COMPARATIVELY - TH has not gone completely overboard, especially if you consider that street prices will ultimately be around the 4K mark.

I mean (to stay within the LVMH stable) - look at the price hikes that Zenith has imposed over the last 2 years, without (to my knowledge) ANY technical modifications to the EP caliber. Or look how Breitling is now pricing ANY B01 chrono - and with this brand we have tangible proof how George’s Kern has repeatedly retried to cut corners on production costs... In comparison, TH has at least stayed true to their historical quality level with the in-house Carreras.

In summary, I think the Tudor BB chrono remains the best bang for the buck when it comes to Swiss in-house chronos (If you were not able to get your hands on a WH&T, which is admittedly an odd outlier); unfortunately, its colorways are are a bit “meeh”. But after that, there's immediately the Carrera, with no direct competition if you fancy a little bit of color.
 
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Just done a comparative test between the 160th and the Montreal. The latter is MUCH worse. So I suspect there may be a fault. Both make the same type of noise with a slight click of the wrist of the general natural movement your arm might make when moving. But when that same movement is "simulated" when holding the watching in hand. The 160th spins a couple of times and then stops. The Montreal spins and spins and spins and sounds much more rough. So could be an isolated quality control issue. As they are essentially the same watch except for aesthetics I can only assume a manufacturing issue?
Just trying to understand: Is it really “only” the noise and spinning that is an issue with your latest H02 chronos or is there also something wrong with their accuracy and/or power reserve?
 
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Just trying to understand: Is it really “only” the noise and spinning that is an issue with your latest H02 chronos or is there also something wrong with their accuracy and/or power reserve?

In all honesty I can’t really comment on the accuracy or power reserve. Neither have been on rotation out fo the box long enough to notice. But I have no reason to expect any issues in that regard. My gripe was only with the noise - and to put it all into perspective I was probably in an exceptionally bad and negative mood after having worked 3x75h weeks back to back without a single day off so that was maybe not best time to give my considered opinion lol.

I would bug again if I had to make the choice. So please don’t let me out you off. They are lovely pieces. On the bright side the OT paid for them so all square ha ha.