Is my Vintage Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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I was gifted a new Tag Heuer ladies watch quite a number of years ago, probably at least 15. I wore it only a few days while my other watch was being repaired. So it has been back in the original box all these years. I would like to sell it as I do not wear it but hesitate to do so in case it is fake. It did come from one of the jewellrey stores here but they also do not sell Tag Heuer anymore and have all had rumors of not being quite honest. So although the numbers are not one on top of the other but one on each of 2 sides. I am suspect but want to make sure. One number is WG1322-RO and looks original and the other number is RT8222 which looks a little bigger and not as deep engraved. How would one tell?



Hello,I would actually take it to a jeweller and remove the back and check the mechanics,if its stamped inside by Tag it should be okay,meaning on the parts.
 
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Well worn, but it looks original to me. Saw this for sale at $300
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Hi Folks,

I’m a proud new owner of a vintage Heuer 1000 Ref. 980.026L and would be very grateful if some of you could help me out with your expertise.
The watch really is in MINT condition. Well, actually it’s so fresh that I question its authenticity. Here’s some points why I’m in doubt:

1. The Heuer has an old banjo crown marked with the “HEUER” logo only. The crown feels somewhat sharp-edged, has three positions and ist not screwed but pushed down.
  • Closed – the crown is in closed position not rotatable (can anyone confirm this?)
  • Position 1 – Adjustment of date
  • Position 2 – Adjustment of time
2. The printings on the bezel inlay look a bit “blurry” and quite bold. Also, the “2” on position 20 has a pretty long drawn-out top. (I assume, there were different font styles on the inlays– can anyone confirm this?) Or maybe the inlay ist aftermarket?

Now the parts which make me believe that the Heuer really is authentic.
  • The quartz movement is engraved with “HEUER 3.85” and the reference “W85B 963116” and looks just like the original.
  • The back cover is properly engraved (in and outside) and stamped with the reference “1272.018 7100W20” / Heuer Leonidas SA
  • The luminous material aged beautifully with some minor cracks (solely noticeable with a monocle) and moderate luminous power (as for time and brightness).
I’d be really happy if some of you could confirm my questions. For sure I’m willing to share some more stylish pics afterwards...

Thanks a lot & Cheers, Beats
 
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Everything on that 980.026L looks correct and authentic to me. The items are all model correct for an L variant.

You’ve got a well preserved example there, enjoy it.

Btw, they never made fake 1000 series. The only worry of thing to watch out for is non-original parts or franken watches. I see nothing concerning on yours.

Thanks,

Justin
www.TAG1000Diver.com
 
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Everything on that 980.026L looks correct and authentic to me. The items are all model correct for an L variant.

You’ve got a well preserved example there, enjoy it.

Btw, they never made fake 1000 series. The only worry of thing to watch out for is non-original parts or franken watches. I see nothing concerning on yours.

Thanks,

Justin
www.TAG1000Diver.com

Justin, thanks a lot for your expertise! I really appreciate your lightning fast answer. Thank you!
 
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Hi, yes it is a very nice example. It all looks/sounds present and correct. I take your point on the bezel insert but probably wouldn't have noticed as the font looks correct overall. As such I don't think there is anything to worry about but I will see if I can find another example for reassurance. (for both of us!).

Maybe is we can get a show of the back not so close we can have a better look at the PVD too.
Thanks, Steve
 
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ps in such condition I would have expected the original bracelet/tropic strap to have been with it.
 
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Hi Steve, thanks a lot for your answer, too! I tried my best to capture the PVD coating. There are some minor marks from the original bracelet. Sadly i couldn't snatch it. The watch was on a nato strap...
 
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Everything on that 980.026L looks correct and authentic to me. The items are all model correct for an L variant.

You’ve got a well preserved example there, enjoy it.

Btw, they never made fake 1000 series. The only worry of thing to watch out for is non-original parts or franken watches. I see nothing concerning on yours.

Thanks,

Justin
www.TAG1000Diver.com

Hi Guys,

sorry to bother you once more 😉 Still doing a bit of research work to the 1000 diver series. In all vintage catalogues there is only the screw-in crown mentioned. In several other sources i found a bajonet and also a banjo crown / tube combination. So to sum it up there were 3 versions?

- screw-in crown
- bayonet crown (1/4 resp. 1/2 turn to close it)
- banjo crown which was pushed in only to close

My Heuer has the push in crown only - you considered this as legit. Is my research work here correct?

Thanks guys - i appreciate a lot. Btw i love watches, but i'm kinda new to the heritage world 😀
 
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I just got a chance to buy a vintage Autavia from a trusted person. It seems to be a Viceroy due to the colours of the dial, the case seems to be a 1163. The watch itself needs to serviced, which is ok for me. I‘m concerned about the fact, that the case does not have a number engraved between the lugs, but rather on the back of the lower left lug. Also, the number which is engraved doe not really make sense, it is 12236.

Can anyone help me adding more colour to the picture?
 
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I just got a chance to buy a vintage Autavia from a trusted person. It seems to be a Viceroy due to the colours of the dial, the case seems to be a 1163. The watch itself needs to serviced, which is ok for me. I‘m concerned about the fact, that the case does not have a number engraved between the lugs, but rather on the back of the lower left lug. Also, the number which is engraved doe not really make sense, it is 12236.

Can anyone help me adding more colour to the picture?
Unusual for it not to have a number between the lugs. Service case maybe? Bezel doesn't look like a Viceroy, which would be 1163V. This is possibly a pre-Viceroy.
 
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Though some material already seem to have beeen removed here before there are still corrosion holes???



Service means what - Is the watch still working?

I had a caliber 12 with a not working chrono section which turned out as great problem restoring

A working Viceroy in good conditon starts at 2500€ and has a good availability, what is the "trusted person" asking for this watch?

Good luck
 
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Interesting. I'm inclined to agree with the 'pre-Viceroy' theory. The '12236' you can ignore as it is evidently done by an amateur. You will notice the notch on the same lug though, indicating the movement has been upgraded at some point....and also pointing to a genuine case. This coupled with the bezel type would indicate pre-Viceroy. (it would be good to see the movement.)

The ends between the lugs are peculiar-the pits could be dirt but do they also look matt? (which they shouldn't)

Not sure who the 'trusted person' is but unless they are a Heuer specialist, they are unlikely to recognise these points. Otherwise, it all comes down to price and your attitude to risk on this one....

Best, Steve
 
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If it's cheap enough could be a good one but I think more than anything else the movement condition is key here.
 
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Hi Guys,

sorry to bother you once more 😉 Still doing a bit of research work to the 1000 diver series. In all vintage catalogues there is only the screw-in crown mentioned. In several other sources i found a bajonet and also a banjo crown / tube combination. So to sum it up there were 3 versions?

- screw-in crown
- bayonet crown (1/4 resp. 1/2 turn to close it)
- banjo crown which was pushed in only to close

My Heuer has the push in crown only - you considered this as legit. Is my research work here correct?

Thanks guys - i appreciate a lot. Btw i love watches, but i'm kinda new to the heritage world 😀
Hi 'Beats', I'm not 100% sure what a 'banjo' crown is but what you say all sounds correct. It has been suggested that there were never any push-in crowns, but that they were bayonet types that have broken over time. Either way, this is quite common for these models so not an issue I'd say

Thanks, Steve
 
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Though some material already seem to have beeen removed here before there are still corrosion holes???



Service means what - Is the watch still working?

I had a caliber 12 with a not working chrono section which turned out as great problem restoring

A working Viceroy in good conditon starts at 2500€ and has a good availability, what is the "trusted person" asking for this watch?

Good luck
Many thanks for the feedback, greatly appreciated. My friend is asking for €900, knowing that watch needs a serious repair. He was also offering to take it back in case repair exceeds a fair amount, hence zero risk for me. I‘m rather interested in getting some info which model this is. Will try to open the case tonight and post some more pictures.
 
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Interesting. I'm inclined to agree with the 'pre-Viceroy' theory. The '12236' you can ignore as it is evidently done by an amateur. You will notice the notch on the same lug though, indicating the movement has been upgraded at some point....and also pointing to a genuine case. This coupled with the bezel type would indicate pre-Viceroy. (it would be good to see the movement.)

The ends between the lugs are peculiar-the pits could be dirt but do they also look matt? (which they shouldn't)

Not sure who the 'trusted person' is but unless they are a Heuer specialist, they are unlikely to recognise these points. Otherwise, it all comes down to price and your attitude to risk on this one....

Best, Steve
Many thanks, Steve. Zero risk for me, my friend offered to take the watch back, when the repair exceeds a certain price. Can you shed some more light on why the notch indicates a movement upgrade? I think he said, the watch was serviced quite some time ago.

Best, Herbert
 
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The price is very good for what you could be getting. As it sounds like you have the watch, if you can re-photo the ends (where the serial/model number should be) in better light and/or from a different angle that may help.

Back in the 1970s, some of the original calibre 11 movements were upgraded during service by Heuer to a calibre 11i or calibre 12 movement equivalent. These were indicated by 1/2 triangles/notches on the rear of the lug, as we see with yours. The slightly later 1163s issued in the Viceroy promotion were all/virtually all issued with the calibre 12 movements anyway, so this upgrade would not have been necessary.
Steve
 
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The price is very good for what you could be getting. As it sounds like you have the watch, if you can re-photo the ends (where the serial/model number should be) in better light and/or from a different angle that may help.

Back in the 1970s, some of the original calibre 11 movements were upgraded during service by Heuer to a calibre 11i or calibre 12 movement equivalent. These were indicated by 1/2 triangles/notches on the rear of the lug, as we see with yours. The slightly later 1163s issued in the Viceroy promotion were all/virtually all issued with the calibre 12 movements anyway, so this upgrade would not have been necessary.
Steve
Thanks, Steve. Will send more photos tomorrow. Just tonight I was able to remove the back, seems to be a calibre 11. Also, although 3 hands are dislocated, the clockwork seems to be working. I will try to fix the hands tomorrow. By the way, I like your profile picture. We had an Englisch Springer a couple of years, great dog.