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HogWldFLTR
·Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? I'm particularly curious about the horizontal markers on the RHD Monaco as being other than a Franken.
Is my Vintage Heuer Authentic? All questions here please
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·Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? I'm particularly curious about the horizontal markers on the RHD Monaco as being other than a Franken.
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·Looks good for a grey dial 73633 to me. Serial number in the right sort of range and buckle also good.
Great, thanks!!! Would anyone have an idea regarding the 7736 movements and how much trouble/cost getting them serviced is?
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·Great, thanks!!! Would anyone have an idea regarding the 7736 movements and how much trouble/cost getting them serviced is?
Valjoux 773x and the ancestral Venus 188 were made for decades and used by more watch brands than anyone can name. Servicing and parts no problem. In the UK a full strip-down service is a little over £200 but I understand that in the USA you will pay rather more.
A decent overview of the 773x history is here: https://wornandwound.com/chronograp...-valjoux-7730-a-classic-mid-century-movement/
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·Valjoux 773x and the ancestral Venus 188 were made for decades and used by more watch brands than anyone can name. Servicing and parts no problem. In the UK a full strip-down service is a little over £200 but I understand that in the USA you will pay rather more.
A decent overview of the 773x history is here: https://wornandwound.com/chronograp...-valjoux-7730-a-classic-mid-century-movement/
Yes, I understand that the Valjoux is an old standard and the critical word for me is old. I wasn't certain how available the parts were for an early '70s movement. Thanks!
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Jsprs
·Hi there!
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I'm totally new to watches, Tag Heuer, Heuer and I felt in love with the Heuer 2000 Ref.973.013 and bought it, I need your help to identify for me if it is a real one or not.
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Little background info, I'm in to Porsches and I building/collecting my own "museum" on a shelf. So anything related to Porsches are allowed. I started searching for a Heuer Stopwatch, because rally's. So based on the Calibre 11 database is decided which models I would like to have, because it is a secondhand market and you never know which ones are for sale or gone pass by. At a certain point I was ready to pay 150 to 250 euro's for a stopwatch. Then my 'common sense' took over me, and said, if you are prepared to pay that amount of money for a stopwatch, why don't you raise that bar and go for a Heuer watch.
So at this point I am waiting for my first Heuer to arrive, and while I'm reading more and more on this forum I'm getting uncertain about authenticity of the watch. I've checked every image on internet and from Calibre 11 documentations, the old folders, and it looked genuine to me so I bought it. Now a few days later (waiting for me to the watch to arrive) I'm going true the images again en noticed a Tag Heuer Crown. So now is my question, what do you guys think about this watch, is it just a wrong part, bad serviced or is it even a fake one?
Thanks for the help!
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I'm totally new to watches, Tag Heuer, Heuer and I felt in love with the Heuer 2000 Ref.973.013 and bought it, I need your help to identify for me if it is a real one or not.
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Little background info, I'm in to Porsches and I building/collecting my own "museum" on a shelf. So anything related to Porsches are allowed. I started searching for a Heuer Stopwatch, because rally's. So based on the Calibre 11 database is decided which models I would like to have, because it is a secondhand market and you never know which ones are for sale or gone pass by. At a certain point I was ready to pay 150 to 250 euro's for a stopwatch. Then my 'common sense' took over me, and said, if you are prepared to pay that amount of money for a stopwatch, why don't you raise that bar and go for a Heuer watch.
So at this point I am waiting for my first Heuer to arrive, and while I'm reading more and more on this forum I'm getting uncertain about authenticity of the watch. I've checked every image on internet and from Calibre 11 documentations, the old folders, and it looked genuine to me so I bought it. Now a few days later (waiting for me to the watch to arrive) I'm going true the images again en noticed a Tag Heuer Crown. So now is my question, what do you guys think about this watch, is it just a wrong part, bad serviced or is it even a fake one?
Thanks for the help!
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Gambba
·@Jsprs these we’re never popular enough to be faked, and wasn’t until later with the Tag Heuer models in the late 80’s and early 90’s did you see fakes becoming relatively common. On the Heuer branded models fakes are generally seen in the higher value models or with complete obscure cases, dials etc.
This one is not fake. During the transistional period when Heuer was bought and became Tag Heuer you can find watches with a mixture of Heuer and Tag Heuer signed parts. The crown could have been because of this, but more likely a service replacement as Heuer signed crowns were simply not available. A Heuer crown would obviously be perfect, but nothing suggests it’s fake or anything else untoward.
2000 is a great versatile model. Enjoy.
This one is not fake. During the transistional period when Heuer was bought and became Tag Heuer you can find watches with a mixture of Heuer and Tag Heuer signed parts. The crown could have been because of this, but more likely a service replacement as Heuer signed crowns were simply not available. A Heuer crown would obviously be perfect, but nothing suggests it’s fake or anything else untoward.
2000 is a great versatile model. Enjoy.
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1965ek
·Is this movement legit for a Heuer 1000, 980.020L? (The gasket is not there I know)
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·@Gambba thanks for quick replay and the help.
Love to hear that this is a real one. My mind screwed me in this one. I thought I checked every thing and then actually started reading more and more. This model got me really interested but this one is just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm going to stick with your story about the transitional period, from Heuer tot Tag Heuer. It makes the watch more fun to me. It shows how hard it was to implement a new name to a company back in the day.
If the crown is replaced, where can I find what a real should look like, dimensions wise? I know there are a lots of crowns for sale on Ebay, but I don't know where to look for.
Last question, if the crown is replaced should that indicate that inside also has been replaced? Is there post or a topic about maintenance and what to or look for?
Thanks again!
Love to hear that this is a real one. My mind screwed me in this one. I thought I checked every thing and then actually started reading more and more. This model got me really interested but this one is just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm going to stick with your story about the transitional period, from Heuer tot Tag Heuer. It makes the watch more fun to me. It shows how hard it was to implement a new name to a company back in the day.
If the crown is replaced, where can I find what a real should look like, dimensions wise? I know there are a lots of crowns for sale on Ebay, but I don't know where to look for.
Last question, if the crown is replaced should that indicate that inside also has been replaced? Is there post or a topic about maintenance and what to or look for?
Thanks again!
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·Is this movement legit for a Heuer 1000, 980.020L? (The gasket is not there I know)
@1965ek yes it is genuine.
On the L variants the switch was made from an earlier ESA 536.121 movement to the ESA 963.114, and I believe changed the case slightly as the two movements were different thicknesses. I think yours is thinner than the earlier one, making fitting a replacement automatic movement not so easy compared to the earlier non-L models. I don’t recall all the details as never looked to replace one of these.
If you look above and left of the battery (in the highlighted area in your picture) you will find the movement model number to confirm it is an ESA 963.114.
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·@Gambba thanks for quick replay and the help.
Love to hear that this is a real one. My mind screwed me in this one. I thought I checked every thing and then actually started reading more and more. This model got me really interested but this one is just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm going to stick with your story about the transitional period, from Heuer tot Tag Heuer. It makes the watch more fun to me. It shows how hard it was to implement a new name to a company back in the day.
If the crown is replaced, where can I find what a real should look like, dimensions wise? I know there are a lots of crowns for sale on Ebay, but I don't know where to look for.
Last question, if the crown is replaced should that indicate that inside also has been replaced? Is there post or a topic about maintenance and what to or look for?
Thanks again!
It’s not that simple. If you have the Tag Heuer crown then it is a screw down crown. Early quartz Heuer thousands series watches used a sort of bayonet system to lock the crown down (A bit of a weak point). These used a crown with Heuer on them.
Then came a screw down crown with no brand on it, and then after that a screw down crown with Tag Heuer on it.
In all three cases though the stem tube is different in diameter and the locking function. Finishing a crown I don’t think is the issue for you but believe finishing the stem tube could be and in your case may simply bring you to an unbranded crown, which would not achieve maybe what you want.
You will find plenty of other 1000 and 2000 series Heuer signed watches that have Tag Heuer crowns. During service if they found the crown needed replacement Tag Heuer would have fitted Tag Heuer signed crown and the associated stem tube as that is what was available as a service part......so yours is not unusual at all.
At least you’ve set yourself up for future Heuer hunting as you know this is only the tip of the iceberg. I started out wanting just the one, and now on number 11......a modest number compared to others!! 😵💫
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·@1965ek yes it is genuine.
On the L variants the switch was made from an earlier ESA 536.121 movement to the ESA 963.114, and I believe changed the case slightly as the two movements were different thicknesses. I think yours is thinner than the earlier one, making fitting a replacement automatic movement not so easy compared to the earlier non-L models. I don’t recall all the details as never looked to replace one of these.
If you look above and left of the battery (in the highlighted area in your picture) you will find the movement model number to confirm it is an ESA 963.114.
Knowing that it is completely legit I have decided to make a complete restoration. It will be my semi vintage beater😀
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jftman
·Hello and many thanks for this helping hand!
Heuer Kentucy Horseshoe Case BUT the dial face is PASADENA. Or I now believe it was a Pasadena Case with the Kentucy Dial?
Purchased years ago and just figured it could happen. The two have the ability to be swapped it seems.
My son has the watch.
When I got it in hand all the dial details under magnification looked factory perfect.
I’ll ask for a pic front and back and post here.
Anyone come across this mismatch before?
Heuer Kentucy Horseshoe Case BUT the dial face is PASADENA. Or I now believe it was a Pasadena Case with the Kentucy Dial?
Purchased years ago and just figured it could happen. The two have the ability to be swapped it seems.
My son has the watch.
When I got it in hand all the dial details under magnification looked factory perfect.
I’ll ask for a pic front and back and post here.
Anyone come across this mismatch before?
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·Hello and many thanks for this helping hand!
Heuer Kentucy Horseshoe Case BUT the dial face is PASADENA. Or I now believe it was a Pasadena Case with the Kentucy Dial?
Purchased years ago and just figured it could happen. The two have the ability to be swapped it seems.
My son has the watch.
When I got it in hand all the dial details under magnification looked factory perfect.
I’ll ask for a pic front and back and post here.
Anyone come across this mismatch before?
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·Good question! This is one of several 1970s Heuers that are questionable. See the debate here:
https://forums.calibre11.com/threads/unknown-model-or.19199/
However, if you got the watch in the 1970s, then that is a very, very interesting piece of information, as the truth is that there would have been very few/ no replicas back then. Are there any model numbers on the back?
https://forums.calibre11.com/threads/unknown-model-or.19199/
However, if you got the watch in the 1970s, then that is a very, very interesting piece of information, as the truth is that there would have been very few/ no replicas back then. Are there any model numbers on the back?
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·Thank you for the reply. The number on the back is 2000. There is also what looks like the number 99How do you conclusively validate if it’s authentic? If it were authentic, would you be able to estimate its value?
