Is my TAG Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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No dude I was only joking no offence was taken!

Have messaged the seller and asked for a refund immediately!
No need to message. well, unless you want to figure out a way to keep the watch.
 
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Grainy photos. I don't like the look of it one bit, and would certainly stay clear unless someone like @jamesbizs gives it the all clear.

man LOL all that pressure. So far I haven't been wrong, but I'd hate to give an all clear and be wrong! Then again, I avoid saying yes or no unless I"m completely sure.
 
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If it came with a warranty and was a new watchb, it's not a grey market watch tho.
Well I didn't get it from an AD and paid a discounted price. I'd call that grey market, but you might describe it as using an agent or middle man I guess.
 
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Well I didn't get it from an AD and paid a discounted price. I'd call that grey market, but you might describe it as using an agent or middle man I guess.
yeah, that's a better way of wording it. I've never actually had experience with something like that tho.
 
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JAH JAH
@jamesbizs , That black AR in your pic is also a replica ...right ?
correct 😀. I bought it, but wasn't sure. Then ebay contacted him to tell him it was fake, so he just refunded me. Then a week later, he messaged me asking me to send the watch back. I wasn't even around to respond, so it went ignored. Then he's all " you scammed me! The watch is real! I want my refund back!!!".

Yeah, it wasn't real.
 
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Isnt it very common that grey market dealers get their inventory through AD's and therefore being able to offer manufacturer guarantee? Sure the AD is not getting the full 50-60% margin on the purchase but they still get a sale and make a profit from it.
 
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Isnt it very common that grey market dealers get their inventory through AD's and therefore being able to offer manufacturer guarantee? Sure the AD is not getting the full 50-60% margin on the purchase but they still get a sale and make a profit from it.
It's common for dealers to unload inventory, but the discounted price is specifically because they don't come with a warranty. The warranty is a very big part of the price tag. I worked for a company before that sold grey market. Dealers sold them their watches, but we had to remove the serial number so it couldn't be traced, and therefor absolve tag heuer/omega of all responsibility for the watch. And yes, legal. Tho manufactures frowned upon it. Dealers did it to get rid of inventory, or else they wouldn't get NEW inventory.
 
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That appears to be a dealer tho? Or sells watches FOR dealers. Because, after all, the warranty starts when you bought the watch. THESE watches have warranties that start when you bought the watch from THIS company. If a dealer sold a watch to a third party vendor and included a warranty, that warranty would apply as soon as that watch left the dealer, but these watches come with the full warranty from the day YOU buy it. Unless these guys are some how rubber stamping the dates later on, but I can't really see how any of this would work in these scenarios.

I mean, unless things have just COMPLETELY changes since I was in the biz. But I can't imagine things getting MORE lax, rather than less. Hell, many swiss part manufacturers aren't even selling to the public anymore. Which sucks for people like me and my dad. So I can't imagine how any of the rules would allow for such a scenario. I doubt tag heuer would even allow this to happen either. Dealers are only allowed to sell as themselves. They can't sell through a third party middle man, because that third party middle man is not beholden to the rules that the manufacturers set forth of how their products can be sold. Just as many of these companies have teams of lawyers that go after ebay sellers. They are VERY strict with such stuff.
 
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That appears to be a dealer tho? Or sells watches FOR dealers. Because, after all, the warranty starts when you bought the watch. THESE watches have warranties that start when you bought the watch from THIS company. If a dealer sold a watch to a third party vendor and included a warranty, that warranty would apply as soon as that watch left the dealer, but these watches come with the full warranty from the day YOU buy it. Unless these guys are some how rubber stamping the dates later on, but I can't really see how any of this would work in these scenarios.

I mean, unless things have just COMPLETELY changes since I was in the biz. But I can't imagine things getting MORE lax, rather than less. Hell, many swiss part manufacturers aren't even selling to the public anymore. Which sucks for people like me and my dad. So I can't imagine how any of the rules would allow for such a scenario. I doubt tag heuer would even allow this to happen either. Dealers are only allowed to sell as themselves. They can't sell through a third party middle man, because that third party middle man is not beholden to the rules that the manufacturers set forth of how their products can be sold. Just as many of these companies have teams of lawyers that go after ebay sellers. They are VERY strict with such stuff.
Most (all?) grey market watches come from authorized dealers originally. Some grey market dealers are able to offer a manufacturer warranty, though, because they have an agreement with a handful of ADs that they will stamp the card for them. Basically, the dealer (in this case Iconic Watches) is buying "retail" from the AD, at a discount of course, and then flipping straight away.
Isnt it very common that grey market dealers get their inventory through AD's and therefore being able to offer manufacturer guarantee? Sure the AD is not getting the full 50-60% margin on the purchase but they still get a sale and make a profit from it.
Yes, basically. But not all ADs will stamp the cards because they don't want to be identified by the manufacturer as being one that offloads onto the grey market.
 
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It's not about whether it's rubbish or not. The fake and the real ones have completely different manufacturing methods. Real is an actual insert, while fake is always molded into the bezel. Or poured in. Or whatever it is they do. But real ALWAYS is an insert.

I meant the lume on the dial, it's really dim, but then the lume is grey so you can't expect much from it.
 
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Iconic buy (or bought) their watches from European ADs, my Heuer 01 came from them from an Italian AD. So I got it for 20% off list. I bought it only a few months after it was released, no way is it fake. I think they are trustworthy, having visited their (private) store.
 
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Anyone heard of EliteSwissWatches.com? I am dubious.... this Gulf doesn't look right and they reckon they have the green dial Aquaracer (the first one)
 
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Anyone heard of EliteSwissWatches.com? I am dubious.... this Gulf doesn't look right and they reckon they have the green dial Aquaracer (the first one)
When I go to EliteSwissWatches.com, I just get a Shopify page. Doesn't look good to me
 
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Iconic buy (or bought) their watches from European ADs, my Heuer 01 came from them from an Italian AD. So I got it for 20% off list. I bought it only a few months after it was released, no way is it fake. I think they are trustworthy, having visited their (private) store.
Nobody was suggesting they were. I have bought from Iconic Watches too. Was a new Nomos which came with a stamped warranty card from a German AD.