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Yet, they look big, thanks to the proportions and the clarity of the glass. Imagine if we had that, just enlarged to a modern ~41mm.

I have to say.... looking at those two, leaving the size out of it, I would pick the one on the right. I see what you mean now... the original looks much 'sharper' and, bizarrely 'modern'. 😲
 
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I have to say.... looking at those two, leaving the size out of it, I would pick the one on the right. I see what you mean now... the original looks much 'sharper' and, bizarrely 'modern'. 😲
Exactly! 👍

When the skeleton Carreras were made, the lugs re-interpreted to carry the essence and sharp angles of the originals. However, in the glassbox Carreras, the lugs are rounded, less prominent, and just don't have the same presence.
 
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Do re-editions really affect the price of originals? I find that hard to believe. Part of the appeal surely lies in the fact that it is an original? Strikes me if anything what he's really saying is that the cost of making these watches isn't worth it for the low numbers they think they would sell.
I agree with you on that one: I’m yet to see the vintage Sub, Speedy, Chronomaster or Monaco (for that matter) that has plummeted in value because their manufacturers offered its grand-grand-grand children in their lineup 40 years later…
 
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Yes, take a look at this side-by-side.


To get similar proportions, we would need to change the lugs and widen the strap. See this rough mockup.
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Incredible, the original looks so much cleaner and sleeker
 
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Incredible, the original looks so much cleaner and sleeker
Even more so with the Rindt Autavia. The vintage original (top) vs. 2017 re-edition (bottom).
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And these are head on shots. You should see the profiles. Vintage Heuer y’all
 
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Yes, I agree, the original looks better. But I don’t see the Heuer Heritage Re-editions too far off. The purpose was to create a Re-edition inspired from the original classic Heuer with modern technology. And I’m perfectly fine with that. It was not a 100% copy nor was it trying to be. Time will tell and all these Heuer Heritage will also be vintage sooner and I’m pretty sure they will all be classics by their own right. Who would have thought back then that vintage classic Heuers will keep and increase their value now? and they weren’t even that expensive in the first place in relation to their time.

So give it TIME. They have the looks of the classic already. They have beautiful stories to back them up. 10-20 years from now they will also keep their value I’m pretty sure of it 😉
 
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Even more so with the Rindt Autavia. The vintage original (top) vs. 2017 re-edition (bottom).
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It's the giant bezel on the new watch that makes it look clumsy.
 
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The original was also very skinny, basically a perfect chronograph.
 
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Saw these two videos featuring Interviews with Arno Haslinger, known Heuer Collector, Curator & Book Author about the 1960s and 1970s Heuer Chronographs 👍👍

I enjoyed watching these two especially because it has english subtitles! Enjoy ::psy::::psy::
 
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New knowledge today! Guy Freres or “Beads of Rice” bracelet continues to be popular not just because of its classic design but it somehow resembles “racing tire tracks” for car & motorsports enthusiasts 😉
 
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Don’t know if many people think of tire tracks, I never have but will from now on 😉

 
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Don’t know if many people think of tire tracks, I never have but will from now on 😉

Yes same for me haha 👍
 
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I recently re-read this article by @Jeff Stein for Hodinkee. It covers the Carrera remakes, from the first '96 re-issues, to the early glassbox Carrera (i.e Skipper), and finally the Carrera Fragrment, which brought back the tri-compax layout in H02 form.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-tag-heuer-carrera-heuer-02-by-fragment-design-hiroshi-fujiwara

I had read the article long ago when the Fragment first came out. But now as the 60th Anniversary Carrera is the final one in the series, it gives some interesting hindsight about how the re-editions have evolved.
 
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I recently re-read this article by @Jeff Stein for Hodinkee. It covers the Carrera remakes, from the first '96 re-issues, to the early glassbox Carrera (i.e Skipper), and finally the Carrera Fragrment, which brought back the tri-compax layout in H02 form.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-tag-heuer-carrera-heuer-02-by-fragment-design-hiroshi-fujiwara

I had read the article long ago when the Fragment first came out. But now as the 60th Anniversary Carrera is the final one in the series, it gives some interesting hindsight about how the re-editions have evolved.
Glad that the posting is still relevant and even interesting.

A couple of great topics, here -- (a) how do the brands decide which of their classics to re-issue, and in what form? One-to-one copy or does the original watch merely provide the inspiration. (b) are the re-issues always Limited Editions or Special Editions, or can some of them make their way into the general catalog, so that they are more available?

With so many brands doing so many re-issues, these questions become even more important.

Jeff
 
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Glad that the posting is still relevant and even interesting.

A couple of great topics, here -- (a) how do the brands decide which of their classics to re-issue, and in what form? One-to-one copy or does the original watch merely provide the inspiration. (b) are the re-issues always Limited Editions or Special Editions, or can some of them make their way into the general catalog, so that they are more available?

With so many brands doing so many re-issues, these questions become even more important.

Jeff
It's a great retrospective @Jeff Stein, your contributions are always appreciated. 👍
I felt it was quite relevant as CEO Frederic has stated that the 60th Anniversary is the final release of the Carrera glassbox series. Thus that chapter is now closed and it will be very interesting to see where TAG Heuer goes from here.

I believe TAG Heuer has done all of the above. Relatively faithful copies, like the Carrera Silver 160th, Hodinkee Carrera Dato, and 60th Anniversary Carrera. These were all LEs. The 40th Anniversary Monza and Monaco Dark Lord tribute were less faithful, but the inspiration for their designs is clearly evident. These were SEs. The CAW211P Calibre11 Monaco McQueen is relatively faithful to the 1133b and has been a standard part of the general catalog.

Personally, I feel there's room for both faithful copies and inspirational designs that pay tribute. I'd prefer them to be SEs, rather than LEs. Which gives a buyer more time to save up and buy the watch when ready. I also think certain models should be just a standard part of the catalog; why they don't have a panda and reverse panda as part of the regular Carrera line up is beyond me.
 
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It's a great retrospective @Jeff Stein, your contributions are always appreciated. 👍
I felt it was quite relevant as CEO Frederic has stated that the 60th Anniversary is the final release of the Carrera glassbox series. Thus that chapter is now closed and it will be very interesting to see where TAG Heuer goes from here.

I believe TAG Heuer has done all of the above. Relatively faithful copies, like the Carrera Silver 160th, Hodinkee Carrera Dato, and 60th Anniversary Carrera. These were all LEs. The 40th Anniversary Monza and Monaco Dark Lord tribute were less faithful, but the inspiration for their designs is clearly evident. These were SEs. The CAW211P Calibre11 Monaco McQueen is relatively faithful to the 1133b and has been a standard part of the general catalog.

Personally, I feel there's room for both faithful copies and inspirational designs that pay tribute. I'd prefer them to be SEs, rather than LEs. Which gives a buyer more time to save up and buy the watch when ready. I also think certain models should be just a standard part of the catalog; why they don't have a panda and reverse panda as part of the regular Carrera line up is beyond me.
Same issue with the Autavia Chroongraph, re-issued in 2017. The standard catalog had only the Black dial / White register version. I believe that all the other variations (Jack Heuer; Siffert; UAE; Orange Boy; etc.) were LEs or SEs.

One good thing -- TAG Heuer seems to be doing better in determining how many of a watch (LE or SE) to produce, so we don't have the 1,860 watches, or similar, overhanging the market year after year.
 
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The marriage between technique avant garde and heritage is a challenging one. The TAG Heuer brand seems heavily focused on skeleton dials and carbon cases for their flagship models. The bread and butter are your run of the mill F1 and ARs though. Perhaps they need the extravagant designs to sell those.
If you think about it, Heuer were also very much t a g in their day. The chronomatic development, the wild Monaco design, ‘70s big n bold designs, blacked out chronos when everyone else was still doing ss, state of the art timing equipment for a variety of sports, not in the least racing, and loads more.
A company with that attitude and mission is always trying to move boundaries and not that concerned about heritage designs. Those are in the rearview mirror. As a vintage Heuer nut of course I’d love to see more vintage inspired watches but I understand Arnault’s philosophy.
Watch collecting these days is heavily geared towards re-issues, which seems a bit backwards. Why bring back something that already was? Since people want to bring it back, the original must have been pretty good. So why not stick with that? Such a back looking trend hasn’t happened before in watchmaking. I suppose it has something to do with the fact that watches have stopped being tools and have become accessories in the digital age.
It stings that so many brands have a whole line-up of re-issues of their classics (Omega and Breitling to name two) and TH have none, besides the Monaco. But they throw us a bone every now and then with a glassbox LE. And then we complain it’s not perfect. We’re the worst 🙄