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Hubert
··TAG Heuer Forums ModeratorAre you going to start selling the overalls too?
I personally have a few already, but am always open to add some more to the collection. 😉
Calibre 11 x TAG Heuer Collaboration: Autavia Jo Siffert Collector's Edition
I personally have a few already, but am always open to add some more to the collection. 😉
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abrod520
·People say TAG make too many special editions, but Omega... man they take the biscuit.
I dunno man, look at that thread we have for limited edition TAGs - 100 watches for the Caribbean here, 75 watches for a UAE jeweler there... the number of so-called-limited editions of the Carrera 1887 alone far outnumber Omega's recent blitz.
Dark Side of the Moon, Grey Side of the Moon
Well, the Dark Side of the Moon line isn't a special edition - it's just a model line expansion. They'll be sold until nobody's buying them anymore. But yes there are too many limited editions at this point - once the Snoopy watch was received with such fanfare and attention, it was off to the races and we get them on a yearly basis now. Some are worthy - like Apollo XI editions, or the Gene Cernan tribute - and some not so much.
Interesting fact, who was on the board of Omega when they decided to 'BUY' the James Bond watch sponsorship deal?
Jean Claude Biver.
Legend has it that it was all his idea, no?
The idea for this came from me, not from TAG Heuer- and there is a final key difference. In this case, TAG Heuer were clear that this was my project. I had to buy them watches from them.
Any thought as to why the lack of support? It's pretty clear in general TAG has little interest in their hard-core collectors, but there's still some money to be made here after all?
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Calibre11
·Any thought as to why the lack of support? It's pretty clear in general TAG has little interest in their hard-core collectors, but there's still some money to be made here after all?
They were very supportive- but clear on what role they could play. They were clear from the start that this had to be my project that they would support, rather than the other way around. Please understand that I'm not complaining about it, I'm just trying to contrast what made this project different to Speedy Tuesday
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Ottsby
·My 2 cents: I really don’t care how quickly it sold out. I planned on it not selling out yesterday, but of course I had hoped that it would by the time it’s ready to be sent in late March. Calibre 11 is not Hodinkee...so I never expected to move units as fast as they do.
In addition, while Heuer and TAG Heuer collectors know of Jo Siffert, general watch lovers probably know him far less.
Yes, I could have changed a lot more- ceramic bezel? Revised case finishing? All possible...but then we’d be looking at prices closer to the Ronnie Peterson Carrera re-edition, i.e. much closer to US$10k. How many people would buy a $10k Autavia?
The idea for this came from me, not from TAG Heuer- and there is a final key difference. In this case, TAG Heuer were clear that this was my project. I had to buy them watches from them. I had to take care of the logistics for distribution, the sales and the marketing. They were happy to “support” through social..but they would not drive the marketing. Now think about Speedy Tuesday- Omega owned the watch and controlled the distribution and marketing- RJ didn’t buy the watches.
In short, Omega drove Speedy Tuesday (I’m not underplaying Fratello and RJ’s role- he blazed the trail and deserves huge kudos), whereas Calibre 11 drove the Siffert..not TAG Heuer.
Major kudos for doing this, David. Knowing the background and details makes it even more special to own and I'll wear it with pride and a smile on my face!
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rafabond
·What I like the least about this reissue is the glass back, it takes away all the vintage glamor that this model has. If Jack Heuer did it, it will be for something, this edition for the forum I see it very fantasy
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Gambba
·Yeah this... and diameter...was something that worried me as i said earlier in thread. Bigger than im used to.
I'm just in an airport and tried on a standard autavia with the tag dealer. Happy to say it sat well... as the forum member suggested it would. Regarding the height it did interfere slightly with the cuff but that was hard to gauge definitively since i didnt tuck the strap in fully. Only time on the wrist will really tell. Feeling much more confident now. 👍
@TonyStark Diameter I honestly never had an issue with even on my relatively small wrist and the Autavia wears very well. I thoroughly enjoyed wearing both the standard and JH85 for around a month.
If I didn’t have the number of vintage watches I have which are overly thick, then it’s very likely I’d have gone JH85 (then regretted it when the Siffert came out).
I am still slightly jealous of the lucky 100 who will be wearing the Calibre11 Siffert Autavia.
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Gambba
·@rafabond I’m all vintage in my collection, but I don’t share your same thoughts or gripes. Glass back is part of the overall modern take on the old design, and it’s on your wrist how does a display back actually change anything?
What makes this Autavia so special in my eyes is the small details that have been tweeked based on a knowledge only held by true collectors. DC has done in my opinion a better job of things than TH did by correcting things that he knew collectors disliked already....and that most of us would never have let go into production to start with.
This is one of the best reeditions to leave the TH production line in my opinion.
What makes this Autavia so special in my eyes is the small details that have been tweeked based on a knowledge only held by true collectors. DC has done in my opinion a better job of things than TH did by correcting things that he knew collectors disliked already....and that most of us would never have let go into production to start with.
This is one of the best reeditions to leave the TH production line in my opinion.
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Aquagraph
·I dunno man, look at that thread we have for limited edition TAGs - 100 watches for the Caribbean here, 75 watches for a UAE jeweler there... the number of so-called-limited editions of the Carrera 1887 alone far outnumber Omega's recent blitz.e
No you're right, of course. I just have an illogical (and slightly pathological) dislike of Omega.😀
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rafabond
·First of all, I apologize for my English, I defend the best I can with the language. I am a born collector of watches, among my collection the favorite brands are made up of Rolex, Tudor, Omega and some more. I have the most desired models and I like these brands, Daytonas, GMT, Submariner, in Omega the limited editions that I like the most. yes it is true that Omega sometimes repeats itself or makes some limited edition a bit "bland", but there are some like the Apollo 11 45th anniversary that is mund different in materials and design from the others. in my collection I did not have any Tag Heuer, among other things because I have never liked them. but it was to see the Autavia 85th and I fell in love, a watch very different from what Tag did lately with that vintage look and designed by Jack Heuer, also with a limited edition, which apparently is a bestseller, in Spain and others European countries is already impossible to achieve. In fact I have two, one for the brand new collection and another for daily use. with this I mean that I can not stand the "tuned" editions of a model that for me is perfection, left the factory as its creator Jack Heuer designed it. I stay 100% with my 85th limited edition, which is what its creator did. from here my criticisms to make tuning changes of a magnificent clock. I do not know why Tag Heuer agreed to do this edition for the forum, but I guess it is very easy to take a watch that is already manufactured, change 3 things and easily bill in a day € 500,000. I am sorry for some who do not agree, but it is my opinion as a good watch collector that I am.
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Aquagraph
·First of all, I apologize for my English, I defend the best I can with the language. I am a born collector of watches, among my collection the favorite brands are made up of Rolex, Tudor, Omega and some more. I have the most desired models and I like these brands, Daytonas, GMT, Submariner, in Omega the limited editions that I like the most. yes it is true that Omega sometimes repeats itself or makes some limited edition a bit "bland", but there are some like the Apollo 11 45th anniversary that is mund different in materials and design from the others. in my collection I did not have any Tag Heuer, among other things because I have never liked them. but it was to see the Autavia 85th and I fell in love, a watch very different from what Tag did lately with that vintage look and designed by Jack Heuer, also with a limited edition, which apparently is a bestseller, in Spain and others European countries is already impossible to achieve. In fact I have two, one for the brand new collection and another for daily use. with this I mean that I can not stand the "tuned" editions of a model that for me is perfection, left the factory as its creator Jack Heuer designed it. I stay 100% with my 85th limited edition, which is what its creator did. from here my criticisms to make tuning changes of a magnificent clock. I do not know why Tag Heuer agreed to do this edition for the forum, but I guess it is very easy to take a watch that is already manufactured, change 3 things and easily bill in a day € 500,000. I am sorry for some who do not agree, but it is my opinion as a good watch collector that I am.
If you think the motivation for this was money, I think you are mistaken.
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Yago
·I also hope there will be more collaborations in the future. When the C11 collaboration idea resurfaced last year (remember we've been having this conversation for years), I suggested three ideas to David, after he shared two of his original designs, one if which was the Siffert Autavia.
At that point, it occurred to me to research Siffert's history to try to find any significance and serendipitously learned that 2018 marks the 50th anniversary of Siffert's first victory in 1968 British Grand Prix. So in my mind this milestone anniversary perfectly justified David's idea of doing a Siffert model for his Calibre11 collaboration with TAG Heuer.
In F1 Siffert managed to score 68 carreer points and had 100 entries in an F1 race
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rafabond
·and if you want to make an edition of a autavia Jo Siffert the most logical thing would be to make a new box, like the original 60 'and a tachometer on the bezel. but of course, this order in Tag Heuer would be very expensive, it is easier to take an existing model and do a tuning, things are done well or not done. I feel so critical.
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Aquagraph
·What I like the least about this reissue is the glass back, it takes away all the vintage glamor that this model has. If Jack Heuer did it, it will be for something, this edition for the forum I see it very fantasy
How is a glass back ever a bad thing? And it's not like it's a see through skeleton or a Monaco 24... you are entitled to your opinion of course, but it seems a curious thing to pick fault with.
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Aquagraph
·and if you want to make an edition of a autavia Jo Siffert the most logical thing would be to make a new box, like the original 60 'and a tachometer on the bezel. but of course, this order in Tag Heuer would be very expensive, it is easier to take an existing model and do a tuning, things are done well or not done. I feel so critical.
I think David has already said that he could have gone down the bespoke route but for 100 pieces it would have made the watch too expensive. If we'd have been talking 2000 pieces (Omega style) then it would have made sense.
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Aquagraph
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If you want to talk about a minimum effort limited edition, then look no further than this Tudor Black Bay Orologi and Passioni, made in a batch of 50 for an Italian watch forum.
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Aquagraph
·for the creator of the forum sure not, but for the company Tag Heuer, it's a good business
I'm not so sure.. let's not forget David bought the watches from TAG, so there is presumably some resale margin (NOT A CRITICISM OF DAVID AT ALL). Then they had to manufacture 100 special boxes, 100 special dials and 100 casebacks... when you take it all into consideration, is £100-150,000 profit a big deal to TAG? If it was all about money would then ban Bamford from making duplicates?
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rafabond
·Autavia by Jack Heuer 85th if it was designed very faithfully to the original, a 2446 c SN a very rare model.
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