New female brand ambassador

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By the way, I think that I have some very interesting data regarding this topic:
This is the distribution of viewers of my Aquracer 300m WAY211 review on youtube, sorry for Slovak language, but I don't think that it matters.
Total views count is 32 000 and take a look at % of viewers in TAGs target category 13-17 it is 0,7% so I guess that they are doing their marketing very, very wrong, 15 year old kids don't care about watches, and when they start caring about watches, they will be to old for TAG (like I am at 22 yo).
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And by the way last semester we had this class about marketing ethics and what TAG is doing is one of the top points of marketing criticism nowadays - targeting people who can't even afford your product whit intention to make you obsessed about it - that is a dirty marketing trick.

So big thumbs down JCB, but of course I know how much he enjoys criticism.
 
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I'm 47, so I'm completely buggered... kids don't have the attention span to read though do they? 馃槜
 
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The millennials got their Connected. They couldn't care less about a Tourbillion, much less about resurrecting a fossil.
 
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Oh blimey, another ambassador a Columbian singer called J Balvin!
 
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Coming soon, the Tag Heuer Elsa / Anna / Olaf special editions......
Of course, Tudor already have the Prince (Hans) and Audemars Piguet have the Royal Oaken.
::rimshot::
(Thankyou. I'm here all week.)

Can't wait for that 'millenial' pester power around Christmas.
 
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Coming soon, the Tag Heuer Elsa / Anna / Olaf special editions......
Of course, Tudor already have the Prince (Hans) and Audemars Piguet have the Royal Oaken.
::rimshot::
(Thankyou. I'm here all week.)

Can't wait for that 'millenial' pester power around Christmas.

This Olaf?
 
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Yep. His version is coming out "In Summer!"
(I'm sure this banter means nothing to anyone without a female ankle-biter)
 
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We've beaten this topic to death on this forum in the past. For good or bad, we have to recognize that without mass production and sales, our beloved brand could have, or would suffer risk of disappearing. And I for one, would consider that to be most tragic.

So as long as we still have Heritage-themed watches and high-end models, I view some of these marketing / passe efforts as a necessary evil, in order to continue fueling the engine.

I do agree with some of your points Hubert, but some of the marketing stuff that TAG is doing in order to 'survive' seems like overkill. For example, OMEGA, Rolex; although I think the Swatch group took a b
 
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Coming soon, the Tag Heuer Elsa / Anna / Olaf special editions......
Of course, Tudor already have the Prince (Hans) and Audemars Piguet have the Royal Oaken.
::rimshot::
(Thankyou. I'm here all week.)

Can't wait for that 'millenial' pester power around Christmas.

I think you thought all that up just so you could use the drumkit smiley.. didn't you?
 
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I do agree with some of your points Hubert, but some of the marketing stuff that TAG is doing in order to 'survive' seems like overkill. For example, Rolex, OMEGA (to some degree) usually stay the course even in bad times. They stay true to their products and market which in my opinion does more to their band recognition. By always trying to create and produce products in order to have the perceive image that the new clientele that TAG is trying to attract will someday stay with TAG after their first purchase is some what premature. Rolex is the biggest the independent watch maker with probably the greatest brand recognition in the watch community if not the world. How did they achieve this? Well If you look back at their history, they really didn't do much. All they did was produced solid simple watches without a lot of diversification, some simple marketing and voila! Rolex simply stayed true to who they are and believed that great products will weather the storm once you have the trust of the public/buyer. Yes, times are different now and the competition is more competitive as ever but Rolex can put you on a 5 year waiting list for their new Daytona because they know the Rolex buyer will wait because they know the buyer trusts the Rolex brand.

I was at my local AD the other day to pick up an OMEGA and had an interesting discussion with my sales agent. This is the same AD where I buy my TAGs so they know me well. My agent was recently at a TAG dealer meeting and was given info on the new Autavia. He said that he will get one in for me when they become available in Q3 2017 (btw, the Autavias will be retailing for around $6,000 up here in Canada). Well to his surprise, I told him that I am no longer interested! Why he asked and I simply said, 'I don't like the direction the company is going'. And to my surprise, he said the same thing to me. He was so excited early last year with JCB taking over and getting TAG in line to where it should be in terms of pricing etc. With the the job well done with the Monza reissue and the creative way TAG came up with the Autavia contest, the agent was convinced that the company will finally get some respect back which the Heuer brand once had back in his day. Fast forward to now and with everything that has happened and is still happening, my agent just shook his head. No doubt he understands the need for TAG to stay alive but he disagreed by the way they are approaching it. I told him that 2016 was a terrible year for the Swiss watch industry and TAG was really the only one that came up positive. All of these marketing stuff has really worked right? The new connected watch got people to the brand right? My agent gave me the most interesting response. He said his store last year could not keep up with selling watches over $10,000 range! In some cases, the Breguets that sales for over the $50,000 range were all sold out. There is a waiting list! He said the watches in the $1,000 - $5,000 did not sell well at all! I said the reason why you sold the watches at the price ranges you did was simply demographics and the people that bought them like to show off right? He said no. The people who buys the $50,000 watch knows their watches. They appreciate and trusts the brand they are buying and would usually stay true to only a couple of brands. TAG is a brand nowadays that just want your money now and worry about another strategy to keep you later. TAG may of had an outstanding year last year compared to competition but how will they do 5 - 20 years down the road? Will that young millennia you attracted to buy your watch will still be buying you watch or will that young millennia that bought your watch because it was cool will still be wearing a watch at all? A Rolex buyer will always be a Rolex buyer because he/she trusts and appreciate the brand.
 
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I do agree with some of your points Hubert, but some of the marketing stuff that TAG is doing in order to 'survive' seems like overkill. For example, Rolex, OMEGA (to some degree) usually stay the course even in bad times. They stay true to their products and market which in my opinion does more to their band recognition. By always trying to create and produce products in order to have the perceive image that the new clientele that TAG is trying to attract will someday stay with TAG after their first purchase is some what premature. Rolex is the biggest the independent watch maker with probably the greatest brand recognition in the watch community if not the world. How did they achieve this? Well If you look back at their history, they really didn't do much. All they did was produced solid simple watches without a lot of diversification, some simple marketing and voila! Rolex simply stayed true to who they are and believed that great products will weather the storm once you have the trust of the public/buyer. Yes, times are different now and the competition is more competitive as ever but Rolex can put you on a 5 year waiting list for their new Daytona because they know the Rolex buyer will wait because they know the buyer trusts the Rolex brand.

I was at my local AD the other day to pick up an OMEGA and had an interesting discussion with my sales agent. This is the same AD where I buy my TAGs so they know me well. My agent was recently at a TAG dealer meeting and was given info on the new Autavia. He said that he will get one in for me when they become available in Q3 2017 (btw, the Autavias will be retailing for around $6,000 up here in Canada). Well to his surprise, I told him that I am no longer interested! Why he asked and I simply said, 'I don't like the direction the company is going'. And to my surprise, he said the same thing to me. He was so excited early last year with JCB taking over and getting TAG in line to where it should be in terms of pricing etc. With the the job well done with the Monza reissue and the creative way TAG came up with the Autavia contest, the agent was convinced that the company will finally get some respect back which the Heuer brand once had back in his day. Fast forward to now and with everything that has happened and is still happening, my agent just shook his head. No doubt he understands the need for TAG to stay alive but he disagreed by the way they are approaching it. I told him that 2016 was a terrible year for the Swiss watch industry and TAG was really the only one that came up positive. All of these marketing stuff has really worked right? The new connected watch got people to the brand right? My agent gave me the most interesting response. He said his store last year could not keep up with selling watches over $10,000 range! In some cases, the Breguets that sales for over the $50,000 range were all sold out. There is a waiting list! He said the watches in the $1,000 - $5,000 did not sell well at all! I said the reason why you sold the watches at the price ranges you did was simply demographics and the people that bought them like to show off right? He said no. The people who buys the $50,000 watch knows their watches. They appreciate and trusts the brand they are buying and would usually stay true to only a couple of brands. TAG is a brand nowadays that just want your money now and worry about another strategy to keep you later. TAG may of had an outstanding year last year compared to competition but how will they do 5 - 20 years down the road? Will that young millennia you attracted to buy your watch will still be buying you watch or will that young millennia that bought your watch because it was cool will still be wearing a watch at all? A Rolex buyer will always be a Rolex buyer because he/she trusts and appreciate the brand.
Good commentary. I don't believe any of the "new" ambassadors appointed by Biver have resonated with die-hard traditional fans. Nonetheless, we all have to acknowledge that they sure have generated an insurmountable amount of press and attention. I'd assume that like most members here, we would all much rather see a return to the marketing and cache of the ambassadors of the Babin era. But will we ever see that? Probably unlikely, at least in the near future, but time will tell.

What we have to remember is that with TAG Heuer belonging to LVMH, their focus and approach to market will be very different to specialized or independent brands. On another thread, I posted an interesting video that includes this diagram that shows where the brand falls in LVMH's "big picture".


As you said, Rolex is an interesting case. This thing we have to consider is that they are owned by the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation, a family private trust. So their reputation and public perception is really the product they are selling. Which means they not only can afford the 'exclusivity' tactics, but must abide by them.

What I am hoping we'll see from Biver, is a massive marketing hit, like what he orchestrated for Omega with the James Bond franchise. If we can reach an equivalent stage with our beloved brand, then I am sure all the past criticism will soon be forgotten.

In summation, I acknowledge being harshly struck by the new direction of the company two years ago. But what I have learned after studying Biver and his work, is that we need to give him a chance to find his way, as he has a proven track record in revitalizing brands, which have made him a legend on this industry.
 
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But what I have learned after studying Biver and his part work, is that we need to give him a chance to find his way, as he has a proven track record in revitalizing brands, which have made him a legend on this industry.
Meanwhile, just enjoy the cheese 馃榿
 
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I dont know about the real numbers. But i think omega hit the wall last year trying to position themselves as "rolex" level.

Truth to be told, nobody can enjoy rolex level. They are like even by non-watch people.

There is a saying in my country, "if you need a watch, just buy one rolex and keep it for the rest of your life". Even my parents lives by this stigma. They dont understand why i keep buying and buying tag heuer. They dont understand there are watch beyond rolex (although now my mom are open to buying hublot).

How did rolex achieve it ? Yeah maybe all of the factors that have been mention above. Its a long way down the road and probably it's a zero-sum game.

Would i prefer tag heuer being perceived as rolex equal ? Sure. Would i think they will ever achieve it ? No. It just 2 very different company in my opinion. The company culture are very different. Tag Heuer is more unique in my opinion and although vintage rolex is highly sought after, lets not forget that vintage heuer is also. Some vintage heuer also auction far exceed rolex by comparison (okay maybe not paul's newman daytona. It hard to beat that). Think about how much price you spend on daytona in the first place.

In conclusion, i like what rolex has done to preserving their brand years after years. They might not be the "holy trinity" nor they need be. They are the one and only rolex. TAG Heuer on the other hand, it's like a rebel of the whole swiss indurtry now (not the high end rebel like moser&cie but...). Offering swiss tourbillon at "affordable" price. Targeting entry level luxury is what TAG Heuer very good at (sorry if i am wrong about this). I would pray they would go back to time where heuer was very much alive but it just the past now. Who knows the future could be this exciting. Now i have chance to have a swiss tourbillon.

Just my 2 cents

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Not to fan the flames, but here's today's addition: @jBalvin
 
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Who is Jbalvin ? (non sarcastic. Real question).
Apparently a Colombian singer. So he is a regional ambassador.
 
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Apparently a Colombian singer. So he is a regional ambassador.

Oh man! OK, that's get this ambassador bashing going again! Just kidding!

Always a great discussion with you guys whenever this topic comes up, which seems to be quite a bit lately. Great to hear different opinions from a variety of members on here. I get the sense that the newer collector sees what TAG is doing is OK and has to in order to keep the ship afloat. Meanwhile, it seems like some of the older collector, myself included here, does not like the path TAG is taking. Why? Because we are passionate about the brand. We value the innovation Heuer made in the early years. And most of all, we value the impact Heuer had made in the watch world.

At the end of the day, us older farts must face the fact that TAG Heuer is owned and operated by the largest fashion house in the world. Main word here is FASHION in which the bottom line is to be as profitable as possible because they have an obligation to shareholders. Rolex who is independently owned and has no shareholders to please can continue to do what they do because their only focus is watches. Although OMEGA belongs Swatch and they do have an obligation to shareholders, their core business is watches so that is all they are focused on.

Does JCB cares about the history of the brand? I don't think so. I remember him say in one of his interview that it's just a 'TAG'. He has a job to do which is to make TAG profitable for LVMH; after all he is getting big $ to do so.
 
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Oh man! OK, that's get this ambassador bashing going again! Just kidding!

Always a great discussion with you guys whenever this topic comes up, which seems to be quite a bit lately. Great to hear different opinions from a variety of members on here. I get the sense that the newer collector sees what TAG is doing is OK and has to in order to keep the ship afloat. Meanwhile, it seems like some of the older collector, myself included here, does not like the path TAG is taking. Why? Because we are passionate about the brand. We value the innovation Heuer made in the early years. And most of all, we value the impact Heuer had made in the watch world.

At the end of the day, us older farts must face the fact that TAG Heuer is owned and operated by the largest fashion house in the world. Main word here is FASHION in which the bottom line is to be as profitable as possible because they have an obligation to shareholders. Rolex who is independently owned and has no shareholders to please can continue to do what they do because their only focus is watches. Although OMEGA belongs Swatch and they do have an obligation to shareholders, their core business is watches so that is all they are focused on.

Does JCB cares about the history of the brand? I don't think so. I remember him say in one of his interview that it's just a 'TAG'. He has a job to do which is to make TAG profitable for LVMH; after all he is getting big $ to do so.
I am a new collector but the more i am into watch the more i appreciate vintage Heuer.
If you asked me 2 years ago i wouldnt even look at it. There's a certain charm that makes vintage heuer so special and i am lack words to put it.
The problem with that i think vintage heuer is not accessible to anyone and tag heuer seems making the model far far adrift from the vintage heuer.
I dont understand it at first because when i start all my friends are all either hublot and AP so they are into big bold watch. Big being the key word in here.
Now i am taking completely different route than them. I like vintage watches while they are after the newest RM.