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ASW

I think this should be about balance.

There’s no news like bad news etc. Obviously some members have been unlucky, just generally a complaint will be heard the loudest. No one generally posts or reads “my movement works” etc.

Writing off all of a brand or movement because of a few issues is quite frankly ridiculous. Subjectively if you change you’re mind, that’s fine. But the constant blame of Tag is rubbish is growing very tiring, and ironically the reason that a lot of the members ended up here - writing they where tired of other forums doing that very thing.

My 2 cents.

ASW

I think this should be about balance.

There’s no news like bad news etc. Obviously some members have been unlucky, just generally a complaint will be heard the loudest. No one generally posts or reads “my movement works” etc.

Writing off all of a brand or movement because of a few issues is quite frankly ridiculous. Subjectively if you change you’re mind, that’s fine. But the constant blame of Tag is rubbish is growing very tiring, and ironically the reason that a lot of the members ended up here - writing they where tired of other forums doing that very thing.

My 2 cents.

Aquagraph

Thanks, I was particularly thinking about the luscious looking Cal16 CAY Aquaracer... and since the Cal16 Aquaracer seems to be no more it will probably be the way to go.

McBeardy

Were there the same issues with your Monacos? Are they common, many others had the same issue?

VirgileF

Yes, same issue on all my Monaco (and Dad's Calibre 11 Monaco Gulf...). The watch stops even when it is being worn. The manual winding is OK but when worn it doesn't wind up enough. People I know at Tag Heuer tell me that they all have the same problem (immediately or after a while)

McBeardy

thanks for the reply. Ouch that sucks. Any other owners on here have that problem?

Pitfitter446

Needs the date window back to fill the space?

Hubert

I added the #6 at the bottom.

dtf

I agree balance is critical, but of the sample Jim did, the majority of Calibre 5s had winding issues. Even allowing for the questionable science, he surveyed a reasonable number of watches from people who are TH enthusiasts.

Mspeedster

But it's hard to believe that TH would continue to produce a product "as is" if the majority of them will comeback for warranty service.

Jim Dollares

It might be a strategy similar to the car industry? Make something likely to break in a decent amount of time to ensure that money keeps coming in for repairs for a long time coming? Just like my shitty Benz is falling apart on a regular basis, now when it passed 24 months there aint no warranty left when the plastic pin in the mirror breaks for the second time, leading to the glass just magically falling out. "Oh Im sorry sir, your warranty is expired, will you pay the expensive repair with cash or card?"

Like we have discussed before, obviously it wouldn't make sense if they all broke within 24 months leading to no profit warranty repair. But a calculated risk and maybe they know that most fail in say 29-40 months, which would generate a lot of good extra money. Especially when you consider the possibility that sellitas are not serviced, they just simply throw them away and swap with a brand new very cheap movement. Crazy good business and margins on charging say 450 Euro for such service. Especially when talking about a watch that cost 3k brand new. Speculating that the average customer does two services before giving up on the watch and buys something new, Tag can at least calculate some really good extra margin on that 3k Aquaracer. Plus local service centers are kept happy since a simple movement swap is quick and easy without having to disassemble the movement, but you can still call it a "watch service" and charge 450 isch for it.

VirgileF

Yes, same issue on all my Monaco (and Dad's Calibre 11 Monaco Gulf...). The watch stops even when it is being worn. The manual winding is OK but when worn it doesn't wind up enough. People I know at Tag Heuer tell me that they all have the same problem (immediately or after a while)

Aquagraph

Thanks, I was particularly thinking about the luscious looking Cal16 CAY Aquaracer... and since the Cal16 Aquaracer seems to be no more it will probably be the way to go.

OttoWilliam

Funny now that you mentioned it, i remember now that my ex Monaco calibre 12 LS used to stop even when it's being worn. It was not always like that but i recalled there was 1-2 incidents like that, i just shrugged it back then and thinking probably i didn't exercise my wrist enough.

Mspeedster

I recall a discussion about this behavior years ago. The net seemed to be if you sit at a desk all day and don't move your watch wrist much, it's not really enough to wind up the Monaco well. So perhaps this is not an uncommon occurrence, but whether it's an issue may depend on how active one's wrist is.

VirgileF

For me, it's an issue only with Tag Heuer models with Sellita. Not with my Rolex, Omega, Tudor, Breitling ou Tag Heuer Calibre 1887/Heuer 01/Heuer 02.

So the problem is not my wrist but Sellita's Tag Heuer 😉

McBeardy

Were there any Calibre 11 Monacos with ETA rather than Sellita's or is the McQueen Anniversary one (framed date window) the only one?