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OttoWilliam
·I think my calibre 12 linear second was ETA though. It was solid caseback though. So i never get to see the movement. Anyway its not mine anymore. Looking forward to own calibre11 in the future. Lets hope they dont discontinue that.
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abrod520
·Were there any Calibre 11 Monacos with ETA rather than Sellita's
Yes, originally the Cal 11 / Cal 12 were ETA 2892 base. In recent years ETA (part of the Swatch Group) has begun to reduce the number of movements it provides to other companies. Instead, they focus on improving the capabilities of SG brands so that's why inexpensive Tissots, Midos and Certinas etc. all have 80-hour power reserves now
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kappa_md
·Yes, sir @VirgileF is correct 👍 All CAW211P Monaco is Sellita (based on this article from sir DC @Calibre11)
https://www.calibre11.com/first-look-heuer-monaco-calibre-11-mcqueen-chronograph/
My one and only Calibre16 is from 2010 (probably ETA) 1st generation Aquaracer and is bulletproof reliable as it is 😉 My CAW211B is from 2010 as well. The Black McQueen Calibre12 is also pre-2015.
I guess TAG Heuer knows which watch movements get more quality issues through number of watches returned for repair. I hope they can be more transparent like the most/least scores in reliabilty in the car industry 😗
https://www.calibre11.com/first-look-heuer-monaco-calibre-11-mcqueen-chronograph/
My one and only Calibre16 is from 2010 (probably ETA) 1st generation Aquaracer and is bulletproof reliable as it is 😉 My CAW211B is from 2010 as well. The Black McQueen Calibre12 is also pre-2015.
I guess TAG Heuer knows which watch movements get more quality issues through number of watches returned for repair. I hope they can be more transparent like the most/least scores in reliabilty in the car industry 😗
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Mspeedster
·Were there any Calibre 11 Monacos with ETA rather than Sellita's or is the McQueen Anniversary one (framed date window) the only one?
But this trait of needing a little more motion to spin the Monaco's rotor I think can even apply to the ETA. I was once on a long 12 hour flight with my C12 ETA Monaco Gulf, it didn't stop on my wrist, but when I woke up the next morning it had stopped. Probably due to lack of enough motion on the long flight and left motionless overnight.
If you love the Monaco CAW211P, I wouldn't let this behavior deter you from buying one. To me, it's a non issue, as long as you keep your wrist active or hand wind it up when first putting it on from a zero power reserve starting point.
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Yago
·Yes, originally the Cal 11 / Cal 12 were ETA 2892 base. In recent years ETA (part of the Swatch Group) has begun to reduce the number of movements it provides to other companies. Instead, they focus on improving the capabilities of SG brands so that's why inexpensive Tissots, Midos and Certinas etc. all have 80-hour power reserves now
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Jim Dollares
·hand wind it up when first putting it on from a zero power reserve
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VirgileF
·when first putting it on from a zero power reserve starting point.
Nice for an... automatic watch 😁
Exclusive to Tag Heuer only 😵💫
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Aquagraph
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Can you make this your avatar please?
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VirgileF
·How do you guys know this stuff? 😵💫
I know a few people at Tag Heuer. Jean Claude Biver invited me in 2015 to visit all the factories (the headquarters, museum, factory, foundry, dial factory, movements in Chenevez etc) and Guy Semon invited me to visit the factories again in 2019.
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Aquagraph
·I know a few people at Tag Heuer. Jean Claude Biver invited me in 2015 to visit all the factories (the headquarters, museum, factory, foundry, dial factory, movements in Chenevez etc) and Guy Semon invited me to visit the factories again in 2019.
Oh I remember that you visited all the factories, but even so... I guess if that was something you were particularly interested to ask you would remember.
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RushDom
·I recall a discussion about this behavior years ago. The net seemed to be if you sit at a desk all day and don't move your watch wrist much, it's not really enough to wind up the Monaco well. So perhaps this is not an uncommon occurrence, but whether it's an issue may depend on how active one's wrist is.
I got my Monaco CAW211P in December (straight from the factory, so very recent production). I too have noticed that the rotor does not spin very freely, but I’ve not had it die on my wrist so far. Giving it an occasional hand wind should be fine. It’s running +1 second a day, so I’m happy overall.
The Heuer 02 in my Autavia though…that thing is like a Fidget Spinner crossed with a helicopter rotor blade!
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Mspeedster
·Back on topic, the panda looks pretty good on a bracelet. Didn't know this was an option.
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kappa_md
·The silver Autavia Chrono is my favorite. But it closely resembles my JH85 Autavia so at the moment, it already makes me happy & content 😉
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Jim Dollares
·Back on topic, the panda looks pretty good on a bracelet. Didn't know this was an option.
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Albert-AMG
·The silver Autavia Chrono is my favorite. But it closely resembles my JH85 Autavia so at the moment, it already makes me happy & content 😉
And if I wanted a version with a black case, then there is the BAMFORD version:
Sorry but while the CBE2110 will always be very high on my wishlist, the new Autavia Flyback is so far behind that I would never buy it. So I don't share the decision to withdraw those CBE21XX from the brand's range. They should have a permanent heritage range (not just limited editions) made up of the Monaco Calibre 11, the Autavia CBE21XX, the Carrera glassbox, the Monza CR2080... they are timeless watches and magnificent designs that deserve to be in the range permanently, also for a reason of image, tradition, and prestige. Rolex and Omega have had models in their range with the same design for many years, and if we look at the sales and turnover rankings, they are doing better than TAG Heuer applying that philosophy.
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·After several days of seeing the design of these new Autavia Flyback... I feel sorry for the new CEO of TAG Heuer, but this is another decision that I do not agree: I like the previous Autavia Heuer 02 CBE2110, CBE2111 much more... but much much more than this new Autavia Flyback! As @kappa_md says, before that version with the silver dial, I'll stick with the CBE2111 JH85, of course!
And before the version with a black dial, I prefer the CBE2110, both with a brown and a black strap (I would have both straps 😉)…
And if I wanted a version with a black case, then there is the BAMFORD version:
Sorry but while the CBE2110 will always be very high on my wishlist, the new Autavia Flyback is so far behind that I would never buy it. So I don't share the decision to withdraw those CBE21XX from the brand's range. They should have a permanent heritage range (not just limited editions) made up of the Monaco Calibre 11, the Autavia CBE21XX, the Carrera glassbox, the Monza CR2080... they are timeless watches and magnificent designs that deserve to be in the range permanently, also for a reason of image, tradition, and prestige. Rolex and Omega have had models in their range with the same design for many years, and if we look at the sales and turnover rankings, they are doing better than TAG Heuer applying that philosophy.
I'd either forgotten or never seen that Bamford, it looks good! That and the siffert are the pick of that generation Autavia. I see the demise of that Autavia as a real shame, it had potential to be a speedy rival
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