Is my TAG Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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It's quite a genius (but discusting burn forever in hell) idea to fake old models that are cheap to produce and people pay decent money for
 
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So these are artificially aged?
Yep. I had the same experience with the Tag Heuer Link models. WJ111x's. Weirdest thing. Obviously unworn watches, with all links intact, but with usage marks all over. If you remove links, you can see that the inside areas are completely clean usually. The more damage, the less likely people are to notice details or question authenticity, I guess.
 
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It's quite a genius (but discusting burn forever in hell) idea to fake old models that are cheap to produce and people pay decent money for
and then to have Tag Heuer themselves tell you the watch you bought is real.... Because with such old watches, tag heuer either doesn't bother to look deeper, or the people at Tag handling the watches weren't even alive when these watches came out. Unlike the newer watches, that tag can instantly authenticate.
 
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Wait, watchcompany-1 ? When did you buy it? They should have been gone awhile ago.

And yes it's the same fake 1000's we've been discussing on here. Bezel aside which is not original, look at the end links with the large code and wide flat retainers and the hollow folded over center links of the bracelet. All the fakes have the same thing.

I bought this a while ago: June 2019.

Here is the back of the watch, if that helps.
 
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So after my bout with watchingo and their clearly fake way211c, I bought a pre-owned way211a-0 who's serial number is registered with tag and still in warranty. After weeks with it and loving it, I'm about floored to find out th second hand appears to be incorrect. Please tell me I didn't get hit with a fake watch AGAIN!!

The quality of this one and the bracelet feel overall way higher quality than the fake I recieved, the box is correct and matches the watch. This is the only thing I've noticed up until this point. Ugh
 
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Would it not have been a good idea to be a bit more cautious a second time and maybe post here before you bought? And that second hand is glaringly wrong.

Plus don't we all know by now that modern pre-owned Aquaracers are a minefield that should only be bought from somewhere reputable like Watchfinder?

It's like that thing people say about dieting - doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
 
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Second hand is wrong. The bezel pip looks suspect to me also.

As Aquagraph alludes to above, it's got to the point now with F1s and Aquaracers, that even if you buy from a trusted used seller, you could end up with a fake. They are fooling a lot of people. I would only ever buy one of these new from an AD, or used if it was abundantly clear that the watch had been purchased from an AD originally (i.e. came with an actual sales receipt for the watch and I "bought" the seller).

TAG also need to do something too in my opinion. This issue is making it harder to identify fakes on the used market and will therefore make it harder to resell a watch. Therefore that would put me off buying one full stop.
 
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So after my bout with watchingo and their clearly fake way211c, I bought a pre-owned way211a-0 who's serial number is registered with tag and still in warranty. After weeks with it and loving it, I'm about floored to find out th second hand appears to be incorrect. Please tell me I didn't get hit with a fake watch AGAIN!!

The quality of this one and the bracelet feel overall way higher quality than the fake I recieved, the box is correct and matches the watch. This is the only thing I've noticed up until this point. Ugh
Only thing I'm seeing off, is the second hand. All the other tell tale signs of a fake are not there. If that is a fake, that is by far the best one I've ever seen aside from the second hand. And trust me when I say, you wouldn't be able to feel a quality difference between the fakes and the real one. They are almost identical, aside from the style of pin/tube they used, and a slight different in how they machine the cuts on the insides of the links.

I have a feeling there was something wrong with the watch, and the second hand had to be replaced.
 
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Would it not have been a good idea to be a bit more cautious a second time and maybe post here before you bought? And that second hand is glaringly wrong.

Plus don't we all know by now that modern pre-owned Aquaracers are a minefield that should only be bought from somewhere reputable like Watchfinder?

It's like that thing people say about dieting - doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
The serial number being registered is what made me over-confident, as well as it passing the sniff test with my previous finds on the previous fake. For some reason I never even thought to look at the seconds hand, ugh
 
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Only thing I'm seeing off, is the second hand. All the other tell tale signs of a fake are not there. If that is a fake, that is by far the best one I've ever seen aside from the second hand. And trust me when I say, you wouldn't be able to feel a quality difference between the fakes and the real one. They are almost identical, aside from the style of pin/tube they used, and a slight different in how they machine the cuts on the insides of the links.

I have a feeling there was something wrong with the watch, and the second hand had to be replaced.
That is my suspicion as well, because on the last watch I spend many countless hours researching, even going as far as contacting what are supposed to be dealers of the "best" aquaracer fakes to get images of their fakes, and all the 41mm fakes I saw had very big tells.

I know one of the previous posters said the pip was suspect, but to my eyes it looks pretty genuine. Every fake I've seen has an issue where the pip looks bulbous and there is no clearly defined spacer between the pearl and bezel which creates sort of a black line around it, which you see on this watch here.

This watch also came from a local jewelry shop and I suspect that they may have worked on it and perhaps they bent the original seconds hand or maybe just misplaced it with another, although the strange thing is the only second hands from tag I've seen like this is from previous gen aquaracers and they are all orange from what I've seen.

I dunno, my gut is really telling me this is genuine but with that seconds hand it's going to make resell in the future hard.

I might also contact tag to see if they have a history of work done on this watch, maybe tag themselves messed up
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That is my suspicion as well, because on the last watch I spend many countless hours researching, even going as far as contacting what are supposed to be dealers of the "best" aquaracer fakes to get images of their fakes, and all the 41mm fakes I saw had very big tells.

I know one of the previous posters said the pip was suspect, but to my eyes it looks pretty genuine. Every fake I've seen has an issue where the pip looks bulbous and there is no clearly defined spacer between the pearl and bezel which creates sort of a black line around it, which you see on this watch here.

This watch also came from a local jewelry shop and I suspect that they may have worked on it and perhaps they bent the original seconds hand or maybe just misplaced it with another, although the strange thing is the only second hands from tag I've seen like this is from previous gen aquaracers and they are all orange from what I've seen.

I dunno, my gut is really telling me this is genuine but with that seconds hand it's going to make resell in the future hard.

I might also contact tag to see if they have a history of work done on this watch, maybe tag themselves messed up
My comments about the bezel pip wasn't based on any specifc knowledge of this model - just that I thought it didn't look quite right in the first pic you posted. In the subsequent pics, it looks better.
 
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My comments about the bezel pip wasn't based on any specifc knowledge of this model - just that I thought it didn't look quite right in the first pic you posted. In the subsequent pics, it looks better.
I think i know what you're talking about and I think it's because the white area around the pip is intended slightly and if the light hits it a certain way the shadow makes it look like it's off center.
 
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As a slight update; the ebay seller (which luckily is a local jeweler here in Chicago) apparently had the original purchase receipt and I was able to call the local AD here and verify that the watch was indeed purchased through them, and the timeline matches up with what's in tag's database. I also had them look up the warranty history and it looks like this watch was sent in for warranty repair last year, so in my mind that connects the dots in that it was likely tag themselves replaced the seconds hand with the incorrect hand when they were reassembling.

I'm pretty confident it's genuine at this point, might send it back in to tag to fix their messup in case i ever go to sell this thing. Thanks for the help/opinions.
 
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As a slight update; the ebay seller (which luckily is a local jeweler here in Chicago) apparently had the original purchase receipt and I was able to call the local AD here and verify that the watch was indeed purchased through them, and the timeline matches up with what's in tag's database. I also had them look up the warranty history and it looks like this watch was sent in for warranty repair last year, so in my mind that connects the dots in that it was likely tag themselves replaced the seconds hand with the incorrect hand when they were reassembling.

I'm pretty confident it's genuine at this point, might send it back in to tag to fix their messup in case i ever go to sell this thing. Thanks for the help/opinions.
The thing with serial numbers is, sometimes they are reused from REAL watches. So there is always a chance. lol not to put anymore doubts in your head... but I just thought I'd mention that. The dial on yours also appears real. The fake ones don't have the markings lined up the same way on the lines. Don't know why they wouldn't just make the dial more real. As good as they make the fake ones, you'd think it wouldn't be much harder to make them more accurate.
 
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If it was warranty repaired last year, then I would definitely be sending it into TAG to verify authenticity and get the second hand replaced under that warranty (assuming they have one!)
 
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If it was warranty repaired last year, then I would definitely be sending it into TAG to verify authenticity and get the second hand replaced under that warranty (assuming they have one!)
Yep it's still in warranty so definitely will be doing that. Do you guys know what the typical turn-around time is on sending them in?
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The thing with serial numbers is, sometimes they are reused from REAL watches. So there is always a chance. lol not to put anymore doubts in your head... but I just thought I'd mention that. The dial on yours also appears real. The fake ones don't have the markings lined up the same way on the lines. Don't know why they wouldn't just make the dial more real. As good as they make the fake ones, you'd think it wouldn't be much harder to make them more accurate.
Yeah and that's the worry because from the start I knew it was registered, but I think it's less of a worry now in that googling everything yields no results and there's only one warranty claim under that serial...you'd expect to find more or google references if it was a legit serial used on mass produced fakes, etc etc.

and yeah, the dial is a dead giveaway....a few pages back i did a lot of research on the dial and how the fakes either just literally shrink the dial of the 43mm (with the wrong logo) or they just plop the ill-fitting correct logo in the same space, which leads to it not fitting and not lining up right. Also those dials don't tend to have any reflectivity or sunray effect and the indices don't line up properly. Luckily for me the 41mm fakes are much less prevalent so there are much more tells on them from what i can gather.