2023 TAG Heuer Solargraph Titanium (WBP1180.BF0000)

Aquagraph

But the movements aren't fake.... they are still Sellita 2824s right?

Aquagraph

Look, I get what you are saying about the price, but the components are negligible in the overall 'value' of a Swiss watch. You think a Rolex Daytona is worth £12,000 or whatever it costs? Of course it isn't, you are paying for the advertising and the prestige. It's been this way since AP decided to charge a fortune for the steel Royal Oak in the 1970s. It's the approach that Richard Mille took too and it paid off big time. RM wasn't even a success until he tripled his prices or something, suddenly it was seen as desirable and the rest is history.

dtf

Yup, a $40 POS SW200, one of these:

This is the one that TH replaced in my 6month old AR. The issue with your argument is that people here have come to talk about TH watches they love, the dialog of 'wow everyone's calibre 5 has broken' only came about because our beloved Dr Jim decided to do a scientific survey. Turns out a lot of members here who own lots of other Tags also own calibre 5s and the majority of them have had issues. Maybe the ETAs were more reliable but the SW200 is the automatic watch equivalent of a 1970s lada and it astonishes me how members here decry quartz because of the romantic purity of a shitty mass produced movement.

Aquagraph

https://tagheuerforums.com/threads/...ing-scientific-study-on-the-calibre-5.135964/

imagwai

I don't know about despicable. But it is pretty cynical, and just gives brand haters another stick to beat TAG Heuer with

imagwai

At risk of repeating myself, the sample size used for this research is massively below what would be needed to have any level of confidence in the conclusion. Like most movements, I'm sure the Cal 5 does have issues it is more prone to, but then again, there are probably millions of these movements out there, and any really systemic problems would probably have been fixed by now because it would not be worth their while not to. But I guess let's not pretend that this is a high quality, precise tolerance movement either. It's mass produced.

Yago

Yeah but that’s a number of years ago already no? Under different managment. The skies have cleared

Chrisred71

Of course the Solargraph doesn't cost any near this much, but still, in luxury watches tech & specs matters.

imagwai

Are you talking about the 1887/Seiko thing? I was talking about this Solargraph movement. But there are parallels.

dtf

Yup, a $40 POS SW200, one of these:

This is the one that TH replaced in my 6month old AR. The issue with your argument is that people here have come to talk about TH watches they love, the dialog of 'wow everyone's calibre 5 has broken' only came about because our beloved Dr Jim decided to do a scientific survey. Turns out a lot of members here who own lots of other Tags also own calibre 5s and the majority of them have had issues. Maybe the ETAs were more reliable but the SW200 is the automatic watch equivalent of a 1970s lada and it astonishes me how members here decry quartz because of the romantic purity of a shitty mass produced movement.

Yago

Rolex watches are great. I used to love them, then hate them and now love them again.
Tudor, which is where a lot of fingers point when arguing about bang for buck, couldn’t market their watches at those prices without Rolex. Yes they are probably the best watches for the price but they are made with the Rolex infrastructure. Rolex basically making them to sell to people that can’t or won’t buy a Rolex so they win either way. Not a fair comparison for other watchmakers.

imagwai

At risk of repeating myself, the sample size used for this research is massively below what would be needed to have any level of confidence in the conclusion. Like most movements, I'm sure the Cal 5 does have issues it is more prone to, but then again, there are probably millions of these movements out there, and any really systemic problems would probably have been fixed by now because it would not be worth their while not to. But I guess let's not pretend that this is a high quality, precise tolerance movement either. It's mass produced.

Yago

See I didn’t know that. Would be bad

Jim Dollares

Spot on @dtf

Saying that a price is more resonable when the greedy Swiss charge 3k for a $40 Sellita just because the Sellita is mechanical is just ridiculous.

As with all affordable luxury, most of the price tag is made up of fluff i.e brand and design. We don't want no citizen on the wrist, people might think we are poor. We want that prestigeious TAG Heuer badge, showing that we give zero fucks and we are glad to pay 3k for a watch that cost the manufacturer 100 bucks to produce. When people get into the hobby they might fall for the marketing of hand made romantic fairytales from Switzerland but eventually we learn that these things are mass produced by robots in factories. Others are sold on the whole marketing scam of "heritage" but in the end nothing is about the parts in the product, it is emotional irrational entry level luxury for people like me who enjoy nicely built products but can't afford actual luxury.

Chrisred71

The movement you attached looks fake to me, it's doesn't seem to have perlage or polissage. Should look like this :

Aquagraph

Yeah, we know it was a bit of fun... but speaking as someone who has only owned two 2824s (possibly three now, if the Calibre 6 is also a 2824?) and had both of them need repair I'm not exactly receptive to the idea that the 2824 is a robust workhorse.

Chrisred71

Should look like this