I would not buy one of these from anywhere that wasn't a 'business', because the first job would be to send it to TH to ascertain authenticity... unfortunately these are faked a lot. Also, the price was high (in my opinion) for a pre owned watch, but it sold in a day - which tells you it actually wasn't. Do I actually want to pay that for a pre owned Cal 5? Probably not. So yeah, they are out there on eBay for sub 拢2000 but that's a non starter.