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·It never occurred to me that the Aquaracer was my favourite model, but you're probably right. Well I guess you're right, which kinda underlines the point that Tudor is a one trick pony - which we knew anyway...
What is your favourite watch brand?
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·It should be called the Boring Bay, IMO. It does nothing for me.
The, now discontinued, North Flag was a much more interesting and unique watch:
I disagree (but each to their own). For me the North Flag doesnt contain any cohesive design, lack of symmetry, ugly power reserve (hardly any watch makers make these look good on a dial rather than an eye sore) cheap numerals somewhere between applied but not nicely. Look ugly on the bracelet trying to flex some Genta vibes.
Yes unique, but much like the PO1, but can see why it was shelfed.
Oddly thought the new Ranger should've been this reimagined
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·It never occurred to me that the Aquaracer was my favourite model, but you're probably right. Well I guess you're right, which kinda underlines the point that Tudor is a one trick pony - which we knew anyway...
Only in name I would say, remove the Black Bay from the GMT, Pro, Ranger & Chronos and you have a new watch (much like Rolex and their GMT, Explorer's, Daytonas all use the oyster case but pretty much the same watch)
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·Only in name I would say, remove the Black Bay from the GMT, Pro, Ranger & Chronos and you have a new watch (much like Rolex and their GMT, Explorer's, Daytonas all use the oyster case but pretty much the same watch)
I keep reading this but I still can't grasp what you mean, sorry. The GMT and BB Chronos are called BBs, but the other two aren't.... Plus the Ranger is dull as hell, but that's beside the point. 😒
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·I keep reading this but I still can't grasp what you mean, sorry. The GMT and BB Chronos are called BBs, but the other two aren't.... Plus the Ranger is dull as hell, but that's beside the point. 😒
Black Bay Pro I believe, wrong on the Ranger (my bad) is actually nice in the flesh more then renders.
Forgot to add Pelagos also.
So 2 lines which aren't BB, and doing extremely well. But I do get that they should drop the BB from the other lines apart from the original BB, as it gets confusing and repetitive, but as I pointed to Rolex and their branding of models, that would work for Tudor.
End consumers sometimes like familiarity (maybe why Apple peeps buy more Apple, & Samsung peeps with Samsung) Maybe Tag looses out by not having a clear direction of the brand, its often been said how many products they have with each sub model.
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·Actually the Pelagos is pretty cool...
Yeah the name Carrera is utterly meaningless, but it works as branding and that's what really matters nowadays.
Yeah the name Carrera is utterly meaningless, but it works as branding and that's what really matters nowadays.
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·Yeah I get that, although it mostly seems to be less objective and more.... how can I put this. It's like people who have been a fan of a band for a long time but really only like the old stuff. Why can't they do more songs that sound like they did 30 years ago? Like constantly saying that they should make watches smaller even though watch CEOs have come straight out and said there is no mass market desire for smaller watches.
Smaller sizes is part of a vintage aesthetic, but it's also a practical need for those of us with slimmer wrists of about ~17cm or so. I like the Super Diver and might have considered buying one, but 43mm is my max limit, no way I could wear a 45mm comfortably. I like the Night Diver and may eventually get one, but a 40mm size would be better suited for my wrist size.
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·Black Bay Pro I believe, wrong on the Ranger (my bad) is actually nice in the flesh more then renders.
Forgot to add Pelagos also.
So 2 lines which aren't BB, and doing extremely well. But I do get that they should drop the BB from the other lines apart from the original BB, as it gets confusing and repetitive, but as I pointed to Rolex and their branding of models, that would work for Tudor.
End consumers sometimes like familiarity (maybe why Apple peeps buy more Apple, & Samsung peeps with Samsung) Maybe Tag looses out by not having a clear direction of the brand, its often been said how many products they have with each sub model.
I don’t quite know why they’d call the black bay pro that name as it feels kinda stupid to me - the watch is good however. That said, they may be too far gone with it now to change.
in respect of TAG, I actually think they have the different model lines segregated quite well. I understand the point about having too many models, but that criticism has been levelled at omega for a long time. As a punter, I’d rather have more choice at the end of the day.
and yes, the ranger is much better in the flesh. It looks terrible on the renders and doesn’t photo particularly well, but looks surprisingly good on the wrist in light outside the AD.
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·I guess maybe the heritage market is fairly small overall, as a percentage of sales so not that important to them? And yes I take on board what you say about smaller wrists, but I can't imagine them entertaining anything sub 38mm at the absolute bottom. Then again they used to make lots of things in four sizes, hard to understand why they can't do that... maybe because they were quartz three handers I guess.
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·Agreed tudor should have a think about model names. Calling every watch (bar a couple) a black bay is in many ways opening themselves up for the one trick pony comments such as the above despite Most of the watches actually being quite different (save the moniker).
I don’t quite know why they’d call the black bay pro that name as it feels kinda stupid to me - the watch is good however. That said, they may be too far gone with it now to change.
in respect of TAG, I actually think they have the different model lines segregated quite well. I understand the point about having too many models, but that criticism has been levelled at omega for a long time. As a punter, I’d rather have more choice at the end of the day.
and yes, the ranger is much better in the flesh. It looks terrible on the renders and doesn’t photo particularly well, but looks surprisingly good on the wrist in light outside the AD.
Its tricky, I don't think they have too many models, but the watch market is so entrenched in everything having to have history that slapping carrera or autavia on everything is the easy route... otherwise what will the watch press have to write about? Sure that 45mm skeleton Carrera doesn't really have much to do with the Carreras of old but giving it that name allows it to tap into that completely unnecessary heritage and back story. I don't think those it needed it to be honest, I certainly didn't buy my Heuer01 because Jack Heuer designed a watch 60 years ago... totally irrelevant to me.
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·Regarding Tudor, the majority of their watches that are popular are dive watches, regardless of whether they're called Black Bay or Pelagos or something else. Even the BB Chrono kinda falls into the dive watch category. TAG Heuer is strong in motorsports, which is why many of us are here. In this space, Tudor only has their heritage Monte Carlo, they also don't have much to cover Aviation either. Hence TAG Heuer has an overall line up with broader appeal. So it's no surprise that TAG should be favored over Tudor by many on this forum.
However when comparing Tudor to the Aquaracer line up, that's where TAG falls behind IMHO. Looks can be subjective, but the suspect SW200 based Cal 5 used by TAG is its weakest point.
However when comparing Tudor to the Aquaracer line up, that's where TAG falls behind IMHO. Looks can be subjective, but the suspect SW200 based Cal 5 used by TAG is its weakest point.
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·Regarding Tudor, the majority of their watches that are popular are dive watches, regardless of whether they're called Black Bay or Pelagos or something else. Even the BB Chrono kinda falls into the dive watch category. TAG Heuer is strong in motorsports, which is why many of us are here. In this space, Tudor only has their heritage Monte Carlo, they also don't have much to cover Aviation either. Hence TAG Heuer has an overall line up with broader appeal. So it's no surprise that TAG should be favored over Tudor by many on this forum.
However when comparing Tudor to the Aquaracer line up, that's where TAG falls behind IMHO. Looks can be subjective, but the suspect SW200 based Cal 5 used by TAG is its weakest point.
Yeah, I really wonder how much longer TAG can get away with using this movement in the face of the likes of the Black Bay. It's really annoying that TAG are always dragging their heels this way to be honest.
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·1. Tag Heuer
2. Montblanc
3. Hublot
Honorable mentions: Louis Vuitton, Movado, Alpina, Frederique Constant, Breitling
(All smartwatches, of course)
2. Montblanc
3. Hublot
Honorable mentions: Louis Vuitton, Movado, Alpina, Frederique Constant, Breitling
(All smartwatches, of course)
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·1. Tag Heuer
2. Montblanc
3. Hublot
Honorable mentions: Louis Vuitton, Movado, Alpina, Frederique Constant, Breitling
(All smartwatches, of course)
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·Another Hublot fan huh, NICE. I am recruiting members to my fanclub Hublot Boyz. We share Hublot photos regularly and spurt over Hublot sexiness. I am the only member yet.
