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There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that point of view.

However, I do think Many of today’s modern watches will never really become vintage like old ones, however, purely down to the materials they use.

a ceramic bezel as an example is highly unlikely ever to show the patina that an aluminium would. Neither modern luninova.

Michael’s example of the Ed White is a good one. I’ve been lucky enough to have owned that watch for the thick end of 2 years (prior to moving on). It’s absolutely terrific and is a one for one copy - but it is extremely clinical in its execution.

If I was in the market for an E/W again (or any speedmaster for that matter), I’d 100% go vintage and have a smile on my face at the old warhorse who keeps going (FWIW I reckon if you polled most omega forum members, most would prefer the vintage all things being equal).

having said that, I’m currently in a full blown love affair with a reedition of a Heuer Carrera.

these things don’t need to make sense. No right or wrong answers - only personal preference really.

That’s an interesting view on vintage as I don’t see patina and wear as being a requirement that needs satisfying to be classed as vintage. I just see it as coming from a certain era, that’s about it.

The Ed White is an interesting piece for sure. It’s not something I would buy, although the Moonshine Gold with Gold Dial did draw my eye when I saw someone wearing it. Proper attention grabber, which would put me off though, whereas the Ed White would blend better.

You're definitely right though, there’s no right or wrong overall, just right or wrong for ourselves if we were to follow someone else’s taste and not trust our own.
 
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That’s an interesting view on vintage as I don’t see patina and wear as being a requirement that needs satisfying to be classed as vintage. I just see it as coming from a certain era, that’s about it.

The Ed White is an interesting piece for sure. It’s not something I would buy, although the Moonshine Gold with Gold Dial did draw my eye when I saw someone wearing it. Proper attention grabber, which would put me off though, whereas the Ed White would blend better.

You're definitely right though, there’s no right or wrong overall, just right or wrong for ourselves if we were to follow someone else’s taste and not trust our own.
I would have thought if something comes from a prior era, it would have some kind of patina - that’s usually my way of looking at it rightly or wrongly.

In any case, with modern techniques and materials tomorrows vintage (whatever that means) won’t be like todays
 
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I would have thought if something comes from a prior era, it would have some kind of patina - that’s usually my way of looking at it rightly or wrongly.

In any case, with modern techniques and materials tomorrows vintage (whatever that means) won’t be like todays

I think that’s where I am coming from. Only time will tell what sort of patina this generation of watches will have, be it physical patina or in the design itself.
 
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A lot of truth in there. She’s generally good too.

The ironic bit being that she points out she’s unpaid, but then thanks her Pope Tier Patron’s 😉

All jokes aside though, she usually does give her genuine opinion, which is obvious by the fact that she hasn’t contradicted herself over time as far as I have seen.
 
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I used to think she was quite annoying.... especially when she did a WHY TAG HEUER SUCK video. But lately she's grown on me a bit.
 
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I used to think she was quite annoying.... especially when she did a WHY TAG HEUER SUCK video. But lately she's grown on me a bit.

Did you disagree with the reasons they suck?
 
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Did you disagree with the reasons they suck?

Can't remember what they were. Almost definitely though.
 
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Did you disagree with the reasons they suck?
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Can't remember what they were. Almost definitely though.
Here, allow me to refresh your memory.
BTW, I felt the video really wasn't about "TAG sucks". She states in the very beginning that she's always had a soft spot for TAG Heuer and wants to see them be successful. So it was more about TAG's history, why they're a great brand, and what TAG needs to do to return to the top level again.

I think her video was trying to be cautiously optimistic. Like many, she wanted TAG to leverage more heritage elements from the Heuer back catalog. But having some doubts if TAG would do this, citing concerns about LVMH nepotism with young Frederic at the helm and releases like Mario Kart. At the time that video was released, over a year ago, her views seemed quite valid to me.

But we all know how things turned out in 2023, so I wonder how she feels now?
 
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Here, allow me to refresh your memory.
BTW, I felt the video really wasn't about "TAG sucks". She states in the very beginning that she's always had a soft spot for TAG Heuer and wants to see them be successful. So it was more about TAG's history, why they're a great brand, and what TAG needs to do to return to the top level again.

I think her video was trying to be cautiously optimistic. Like many, she wanted TAG to leverage more heritage elements from the Heuer back catalog. But having some doubts if TAG would do this, citing concerns about LVMH nepotism with young Frederic at the helm and releases like Mario Kart. At the time that video was released, over a year ago, her views seemed quite valid to me.

But we all know how things turned out in 2023, so I wonder how she feels now?

I think I was possibly getting her and Jenni mixed up. It was Jenni who made a video with a very clickbaity picture of her screwing her face up.

But yeah, if that's what Britt said then I definitely disagree, they do not need more heritage elements that's all they ever do. In fact i have a post coming about that soon.
 
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I liked the latest video because she acknowledged that the 'watch community' is a tiny part of the customer base, and so the reason why the brands don't always listen is because it's a small market. This is the whole thing with the old reissues, 600 Pandas is worth maybe £2m to TAG. It's not that big a deal for a company like that.
 
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But hey, maybe if we can get more 80s heritage going I will change my attitude. 😁
 
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Honestly I'm still chuckling to myself about that other video...

Teal is not just green, it has blue from racing cars. It's like heritage tourrettes.
 
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But honestly youtubers are a joke moat of the time, I mean am I supposed to take this seriously after everything this guy has said in the past?

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But I guess the logic goes that he wanted less TAG more Heuer and he got it so he can change his mind. And I guess from TAGS perspective if they get the youtube community onside with these glassboxes then the overall positivity translates into more sales of watches the general public actually want to buy. Like quartz Aquaracers and F1s.
 
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But hey, maybe if we can get more 80s heritage going I will change my attitude. 😁
Britt actually says she's a fan of '90s TAG in her video. Which she said they should also leverage, as well as heritage Heuer. Because the youngsters are into the 90s fashion and that was TAG's decade.

Maybe you agree with her more than you think. (Aside from heritage Heuer, but many of us are also into that, even if you aren't.)
 
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But honestly youtubers are a joke moat of the time, I mean am I supposed to take this seriously after everything this guy has said in the past?

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I just can’t watch that one.
 
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The latest discussion has been interesting, as it’s given a much better insight into where people stand on their watch taste, so thank you for that.

By my dislike for the new glass box, plus admitting that I think the previous ones were better, I guess I am not against heritage as much as I thought even if I don’t want to purchase in that area.

My feeling has always been that I just don’t like the whole heritage is Everything, period end. 😀

It feels like there’s more effort put into the backstory than the watch itself quite often.

I genuinely feel that they should focus on new designs, even if there are some old school touches built into that, but not attempt to literally just do a remake on every single piece.

Imagine the impact of a tribute watch every few years, with more focus on new designs and materials in between, than 10 of them over the same period?

I guess I just want something fresh to reignite my interest, rather than seeing that at many other brands of late.
 
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