Is my TAG Heuer Authentic? All questions here please

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OK, so I'm thinking possibly franken at this point, with a mix of gen and fake parts. Someone getting old, grotty 1000s, installing new crystal, refurb dial/bezel and maybe a fake bracelet? On the other hand, that's quite a lot of "rare" cases with that ref number. Maybe that's fake too but movement is an old one?

You do see this quite a lot with Rolex and Tudor too, though - people making "vintage" watches that are anything but.

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Doubt it. Real movement, is about all it is. NOS movement. Just simple ETA's like in mine. I don't know what the 1000's have. Tag probably just saw that, and a very old watch, and said " meh, it's real". I doubt they put any actual effort into it. I bet no one in their department was even working for tag, when these watches were sold. At least mine was fairly newer model, and they were easily able to determine it's fake.
 
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I've been through all sorts of possibilities with the red and blue 1000 watches.
I thought maybe issued on a team building event? Red team/blue team.
I dismissed that idea as all members of the team must of had 9 inch wrists and all sold them to a dodgy guy in Austria who uses a drop shipping company to fulfil orders.

They are fake watches with a genuine Swiss quartz movement.
And I'm disappointed that a tag service professional couldn't see that.

I guess as it's been authenticated I could see how much a leading online watch retailer would give me for it?

And I guess there own service centre personnel would then spot it as a fake.
 
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I don't think many TAG employees today have much knowledge of models 25+ years old. Going by the movement is a lazy way to establish authenticity, especially in quartz watches.
 
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Is the bracelet relevant? If you take a watch off a bracelet and put it on an aftermarket strap it doesn't make it non-genuine.
 
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Is the bracelet relevant? If you take a watch off a bracelet and put it on an aftermarket strap it doesn't make it non-genuine.
as long as it is disclosed
 
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I'm just thinking what TAG would actually look at when they got the watch back, what would they point at and say 'this makes' it 'real' and this makes it 'fake'. Like with a car, if it is the original chassis then it is 'real' even if all the body has been rebuilt. So I would say the case is the most important thing, then the dial, then the bezel then everything else. I think the bracelet has a bearing on the value but I don't think it affects the 'realness' of the watch itself.
 
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I'm just thinking what TAG would actually look at when they got the watch back, what would they point at and say 'this makes' it 'real' and this makes it 'fake'. Like with a car, if it is the original chassis then it is 'real' even if all the body has been rebuilt. So I would say the case is the most important thing, then the dial, then the bezel then everything else. I think the bracelet has a bearing on the value but I don't think it affects the 'realness' of the watch itself.
Which is funny, if as some members have said, a lot of cases are made in Asia lol. Can we at least still stick to the 60/80% Swiss rule than? 60 For quartz’s and 80 for auto.

And, I mean, we can always get into the whole the ship of Theseus, philosophical question. And, it would also be the difference between a real watch and an original watch.


I work with watches. So a pot of my watches are Franken watches . Parts from different factories, suppliers, and even decades sometimes.

But the main take away is this. Is all the info disclosed? If the seller says the bracelet is aftermarket, fine. or like these sellers, they pretend it’s all original. Not fine.

I’ve fixed a watch for someone, replacing more than half the components. The only thing left original was the case and bracelet...
 
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Which is funny, if as some members have said, a lot of cases are made in Asia lol. Can we at least still stick to the 60/80% Swiss rule than? 60 For quartz’s and 80 for auto.

And, I mean, we can always get into the whole the ship of Theseus, philosophical question. And, it would also be the difference between a real watch and an original watch.


I work with watches. So a pot of my watches are Franken watches . Parts from different factories, suppliers, and even decades sometimes.

But the main take away is this. Is all the info disclosed? If the seller says the bracelet is aftermarket, fine. or like these sellers, they pretend it’s all original. Not fine.

I’ve fixed a watch for someone, replacing more than half the components. The only thing left original was the case and bracelet...

I'm not talking about sellers, I'm talking about what TAG would look at in making their decision re authentic or not. I don't know if they will talk to me or not, I suspect not, but I am going to try.
 
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Well, it's not fake. Is it?
That's a matter of opinion.
Please prove me wrong by providing Tag Heuer reference to this watch in any advertising or blog etc.
 
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That's a matter of opinion.
Please prove me wrong by providing Tag Heuer reference to this watch in any advertising or blog etc.

The problem is if TAG say it isn't fake, then who exactly gets to have the final word? I don't believe it's real either, but if TAG say it is then legally it is and they are entitled to sell it. After all, by what mechanism do you dispute it? And if TAG changed their mind that wouldn't look very good either would it?
 
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The problem is if TAG say it isn't fake, then who exactly gets to have the final word? I don't believe it's real either, but if TAG say it is then legally it is and they are entitled to sell it. After all, by what mechanism do you dispute it? And if TAG changed their mind that wouldn't look very good either would it?
gotta send it to another tag place, that isn't the UK then. That would be quite the interesting lawsuit tho huh?
 
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