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2025 Carrera Chronosprint x Porsche Rallye CBS2015.EB0381 & CBS2041.EB0382
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Gene242
·What H are you referring to?
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Salazaar
·The straps are really soft and comfortable too. Love that the threading color matches the dial.
@Aquagraph Did a sales guy actually tell you that about the H link? 😂. I was thinking of that with Sinn who uses H-Link on all their watches, what would they say.
The H-Link does work well on this watch, but it is a PAIN to size if you don’t have the right tool, I’d love to understand why they don’t use screws.
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Jim Dollares
·Isn't that the whole concept of brands perceived as luxury in their branding? The more you pay, the less you get
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Salazaar
·I hope that's sarcasm
I worked there and believe me, the price of every component is important. Screws are more expensive than the pins used.
Same story for micro-adjustments.
For sure those prices would be low but it would be enough to not change the bracelet construction.
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Aquagraph
·Well technically this is true, but it's hard to see a direct correlation of increased costs and increased list price since they arbitrarily put up the price every year. Same as you can't correlate the price of gold to the difference in the price of gold watches. You're paying a 'gold' tax essentially. Which is why they can suddenly reduce the price of the gold Aquaracer by three grand when it doesn't sell.
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Aquagraph
·What I mean is in my business you tend to get price rises, usually justified by the rise in costs of materials. And if the materials stay the same or fall then the prices generally stay the same. Whereas luxury goods just don't work like that since they must go up to convince people that everything is rising in value regardless of whether it's true or not. Also you have Rolex trying to catch up to second hand values and everyone else moving up to keep their place in the pecking order. So yes, while screws may impact the actual 'cost' of making the watch and costs must be kept down to maximise profits, it's not really relevant to the price charged for the final watch.
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Aquagraph
·What is interesting is that in the past it feels like they would change the construction and then they would use it as a reason to charge more (because we made improvements) now it feels like everyone knows the price is going up anyway so no need to actually make improvements to justify it... !
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Salazaar
·Well technically this is true, but it's hard to see a direct correlation of increased costs and increased list price since they arbitrarily put up the price every year. Same as you can't correlate the price of gold to the difference in the price of gold watches. You're paying a 'gold' tax essentially. Which is why they can suddenly reduce the price of the gold Aquaracer by three grand when it doesn't sell.
It's the same for gold pieces, excepted that the coefficient is lower than steel pieces. They adjust the price depending on cost/coefficient.
But you're right, in cases where the watch doesn't sell well (Aquaracer gold for your example), they can lower this coefficient in order to just sell them and get rid of them.
But TAG Heuer is not the only brand to do that; I'm quite sure that all of them work the same way.
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Salazaar
·What I mean is in my business you tend to get price rises, usually justified by the rise in costs of materials. And if the materials stay the same or fall then the prices generally stay the same. Whereas luxury goods just don't work like that since they must go up to convince people that everything is rising in value regardless of whether it's true or not. Also you have Rolex trying to catch up to second hand values and everyone else moving up to keep their place in the pecking order. So yes, while screws may impact the actual 'cost' of making the watch and costs must be kept down to maximise profits, it's not really relevant to the price charged for the final watch.
These past years have been totally crazy in the watch industry and they are not even trying to explain these price increases.
Some brands say the quality is higher even if they didn't change anything in production. They just change the warranty from 2 years to 5 years and bingo, "quality improvement" and price increase. The hard truth: they just increased their coefficient.
I think it was way different the last 10-20 years than the 5 past years.
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Aquagraph
·Thanks, yeah 'arbitrarily' was not the right word. And if the costs stayed the same I am sure the prices would still go up.... because 'luxury'.
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abrod520
·This is why I'm not spending $10k on a TAG - the details just don't add up.
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YY77
·This is why I'm not spending $10k on a TAG - the details just don't add up.
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Aquagraph
·A bit like trying to sell a 50k car with steel wheels and plastic wheel covers...
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DougFNJ
·I’d say when the only single nit pick that I have with a watch is how they secured the bracelet links, it says a lot. It’s not taking a single thing away from the quality. Mind you, pin and collar doesn’t weaken it, it’s just a pain to size without the right tools. The micro adjustment would had been great, but then people would complain about the larger clasp. If it really bothered me that much, It would live on the incredibly comfortable included rally straps on deployment with infinite sizing.
Value is subjective. Every hand in this watch is aligned. The accuracy is around +1 second per day. The modified movement is really cool to watch in action. Every detail of this watch is so well thought out. BUT, it comes with a premium price tag that not everybody will be on board with. To me it’s been worth every penny.
In comparison, I HATE the Omega Micro adjustments. When you extend it out, there is a visible gap between the link and the clasp, it’s uncomfortable when it digs in your wrist, and it doesn’t look good. You know how many high end Chronographs I’ve purchased with the chrono hand misaligned? I had 2 Omegas that had hour hands misaligned. Every brand has something.
Value is subjective. Every hand in this watch is aligned. The accuracy is around +1 second per day. The modified movement is really cool to watch in action. Every detail of this watch is so well thought out. BUT, it comes with a premium price tag that not everybody will be on board with. To me it’s been worth every penny.
In comparison, I HATE the Omega Micro adjustments. When you extend it out, there is a visible gap between the link and the clasp, it’s uncomfortable when it digs in your wrist, and it doesn’t look good. You know how many high end Chronographs I’ve purchased with the chrono hand misaligned? I had 2 Omegas that had hour hands misaligned. Every brand has something.
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