LVMH Watch Week 2022

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No more Heuer Heritage I guess. And if you looked at the Heuer archives and pick watches which have deep historical and cult impact, I would probably say TAG Heuer has already spread all their “heritage” cards. I’m basing it with the Croswaith & Gavin Heuer books. The Heuer Superstars book features all the important ones. And pretty much the “re-editions” have been done already except for a very very few 😉
 
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No more Heuer Heritage I guess. And if you looked at the Heuer archives and pick watches which have deep historical and cult impact, I would probably say TAG Heuer has already spread all their “heritage” cards. I’m basing it with the Croswaith & Gavin Heuer books. The Heuer Superstars book features all the important ones. And pretty much the “re-editions” have been done already except for a very very few 😉
I don't think so, where's my Carrera 7753SN Ford v Ferrari Panda re-issue!? (Please don't say the Telemeter, it's not even close.)

There's a lot they could do. The Monaco Dark Lord is the obvious one. A proper Siffert re-edition is another, no the C11 version does not count (wrong case style), nor does the the 2003 version (it just doesn't look right). The Ronnie Peterson Carrera was awesome, but too limited, we need something more attainable for the masses. That's just naming a few.
 
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I don't think so, where's my Carrera 7753SN Ford v Ferrari Panda re-issue!? (Please don't say the Telemeter, it's not even close.)

There's a lot they could do. The Monaco Dark Lord is the obvious one. A proper Siffert re-edition is another, no the C11 version does not count (wrong case style), nor does the the 2003 version (it just doesn't look right). The Ronnie Peterson Carrera was awesome, but too limited, we need something more attainable for the masses. That's just naming a few.

We could all dream of what we want but re-issues/re-editions that are already alluded to or inspired by from vintage watches have been mostly done. The Dark Lord done with Only Watch Monaco and somewhat with the HourGlass version. Why will they release another one at this time?! Siffert done with Calibre11. Ronnie Peterson done and also with what Ronaldo has. JH88 is inspired by the Ferrari x Heuer Carrera Gold panda champions watch. LEs specially the “Heuer” ones will only be limited quantity and TH will not make alot for us masses, unfortunately. The only exception was SMQ Monaco CAW211P and I thank TAG Heuer for that. TH may have still some “bunnies” left in the rabbit hat but obviously, it has already been said that the new management doesn’t want to make a perfect / exact copy of vintage watches. But who knows? I’m still hoping 🤔 Maybe in the future or with a new management team I guess. We will never know for now. I’m just managing my expectations for what TH wants to offer to its vast clientelle and I know enthusiasts like me are just part of the minority. My Carrera Telemeter stays precisely because it has that heritage vibe, clean look-feel and classic panda Carrera elements whether you agree with me or not 😉 Or whether it looks like the vintage one or not. It still is the closest re-edition. No problem, cause you can always go straight Heuer vintage 👍

I’ve already learned and realized through the years, thanks to the wonderful people in Calibre11, that even as a person passionate about TAG Heuer, their designs will not always have to bold well with mine and my own expectations. I still love and admire TAG Heuer for what it truly is and what the brand means to me. 🥰
 
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We could all dream of what we want but re-issues/re-editions that are already alluded to or inspired by from vintage watches have been mostly done. The Dark Lord done with Only Watch Monaco and somewhat with the HourGlass version. Why will they release another one at this time?! Siffert done with Calibre11. Ronnie Peterson done and also with what Ronaldo has. JH88 is inspired by the Ferrari x Heuer Carrera Gold panda champions watch.
In a sense you could say they've been done, but those just do not cut it for me, I've already explained why.

The point being I want "proper" re-editions. They don't have to be an exact copy, but should embody the essence & spirit, like the CAW211P Monaco does. For me, those that you've mentioned don't even come close, except the Ronnie Peterson - which nobody can get. But there are other Carreras of that era that can also be done.

In addition, there are many other less famous variants from their heritage models. For example, I'd really like them to do a Heritage Monaco 73633B with the H02 movement, easy enough for them to do I think. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.


But it seems clear to me that this is not the current direction of TAG Heuer, the Autavia Flyback which mixes heritage cues with a modern twist is what we're getting. The 40mm Aquaracer also mixes retro with modern. This isn't a bad thing, I think they're rather nice, but it's not what I'm looking for at this time.

That's why I've stated previously that I may not ever buy a new TAG Heuer for the foreseeable future, and will be focused on vintage Heuer instead.
 
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And this is the state I've been at for awhile, transitioning to originals. I know you will buy another TAG eventually, as will I, but still. Nothing in the current and future offerings really grabs me.
Unless I could get number 0002 on that Heritage Monaco 73633B release, one heartbeat after yours of course😁
 
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And this is the state I've been at for awhile, transitioning to originals. I know you will buy another TAG eventually, as will I, but still. Nothing in the current and future offerings really grabs me.
Unless I could get number 0002 on that Heritage Monaco 73633B release, one heartbeat after yours of course😁
Actually, I really wouldn't mind the new 40mm Aquaracer; if only Pope Jimbo and his chuch of scientology hadn't scared the crap out of everyone who might be thinking about a Cal 5 TAG. 🙄
 
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I do think there's too much focus on the old in the watch world. There are some fantastic modern watches out there, and this continual debate over like-for-like re-editions vs heritage inspired is distracting us from the real issues - uninspired design across the TH range. Autavia 3 hand, 43mm all-the-shapes aquaracer, mall-watch carreras - at best these are lukewarm and uninspiring.
 
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I do think there's too much focus on the old in the watch world. There are some fantastic modern watches out there,
Which ones are these in TAG's line up? Oh, you must be talking about other brands... 😗
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and this continual debate over like-for-like re-editions vs heritage inspired is distracting us from the real issues - uninspired design across the TH range. Autavia 3 hand, 43mm all-the-shapes aquaracer, mall-watch carreras - at best these are lukewarm and uninspiring.
So what you're saying basically is everything sucks - no more heritage re-editions and everything else is uninspiring. 😒
 
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I do think there's too much focus on the old in the watch world. There are some fantastic modern watches out there, and this continual debate over like-for-like re-editions vs heritage inspired is distracting us from the real issues - uninspired design across the TH range. Autavia 3 hand, 43mm all-the-shapes aquaracer, mall-watch carreras - at best these are lukewarm and uninspiring.

The thing is, luxury companies feel the need to put everything into a historical context, because they think their customers are scared of anything genuinely 'new'. The people have learned to associate continuity with 'good investment' (because of Rolex) so it makes it easier to sell something if you can say it can trace its roots back to the 1960s (for some reason 1960 is the beginning of all time when it comes to watches) it also means they can regurgitate the same old 'historical patter' to fill out the press release. Hence why my 45mm skeleton dial Heuer 01 (and indeed the Connected) is called a Carrera instead of something new.
In one breath Fredric says we need to look forward, but in the other that watch design needs to stay the same (by which he really means the names need to stay the same I think), so who knows what will come around the corner.
It's funny isn't it how vocal the 'vintage' crowd are about modern interpretations being all wrong, but you don't see anyone moaning that the F1 is no longer an F1 because it's not 35mm and not made of resin....
 
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you don't see anyone moaning that the F1 is no longer an F1 because it's not 35mm and not made of resin....
This is funny. The other day I was thinking how I will be in 35 years. Commenting on things all the time "that is no true formula 1, in the early 10's we had proper designs, true to the F1 spirit, just look here at my Red Bull F1 you morons" 🙄

and the next comment I write is about why the CAZ101U is "the only true Max Verstappen watch, since this is the only watch Max designed himself"

aaaaand so on. I think as we get older, each generation glorifies a certain period back in time, depending on how old you are. There is no guarantee that the moldy designs from the 60's and 70's will be what enthusiasts praise the most in the year 2055
 
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This is funny. The other day I was thinking how I will be in 35 years. Commenting on things all the time "that is no true formula 1, in the early 10's we had proper designs, true to the F1 spirit, just look here at my Red Bull F1 you morons" 🙄

and the next comment I write is about why the CAZ101U is "the only true Max Verstappen watch, since this is the only watch Max designed himself"

aaaaand so on. I think as we get older, each generation glorifies a certain period back in time, depending on how old you are. There is no guarantee that the moldy designs from the 60's and 70's will be what enthusiasts praise the most in the year 2055

Why should they. But this is what Frederic was saying about McQueen, his appeal will not last forever...
 
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Why should they. But this is what Frederic was saying about McQueen, his appeal will not last forever...
Fo sure! I am not young but I have only seen one Mcqueen movie, and it was insanely bad 😁 just ask any young people today if they like Steve McQueen and they gonna look at you like you retarded. Relying on a person whose audience will eventually be dead, literarily, will of course not work for ever.

This is why Omega is so brilliant with James Bond. This fictional character can live forever and be renewed, ensuring that a young audience of fans keep the status of the name hot.
 
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Fo sure! I am not young but I have only seen one Mcqueen movie, and it was insanely bad 😁 just ask any young people today if they like Steve McQueen and they gonna look at you like you retarded. Relying on a person whose audience will eventually be dead, literarily, will of course not work for ever.

This is why Omega is so brilliant with James Bond. This fictional character can live forever and be renewed, ensuring that a young audience of fans keep the status of the name hot.

Ha, well... actually you've got a point. Although I still think fawning over a fictional character is vaguely ridiculous. But then no more than fawning over real life soldiers using mechanical watches.... I still cannot get my head round that idea. The last thing I would want on a battlefield was a mechanical watch!
 
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Also, whatever happens in the future, even when they are dead, the Apollo 13 astronauts will still be famous. Well, not the one who stayed in the ship.... Mikey was his name?



Noooo Mikey Noooo!
 
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"You’ve not seen anything from the Institute at LVMH Watch Week, but at Watches and Wonders in Geneva we will have a groundbreaking innovation."

What is Mr Arnault talking about here do we think? And more importantly, will it work?
 
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you don't see anyone moaning that the F1 is no longer an F1 because it's not 35mm and not made of resin....

I, uh, actually think the F1 was better when it had a colorful plastic bezel... those were fun. The new ones just aren't in the same way.

Also, whatever happens in the future, even when they are dead, the Apollo 13 astronauts will still be famous. Well, not the one who stayed in the ship.... Mikey was his name?

You mean Apollo 11, and Michael Collins who stayed in the Command Module.

Apollo 13 was the one that nearly didn't come back.
 
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Doh, yes Apollo... 11. Obviously. But yes, Michael Collins not quite as famous as Neil and Buzz
 
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for some reason 1960 is the beginning of all time when it comes to watches
In the case of Heuer, yes because that's when Jack started what's perceived as the golden age of Heuer. But in the case of other brands, I see many of them going back even further in time. But if they go too far back, the designs are very dated and the population that might have some nostalgia for that period are very old or gone.
It's funny isn't it how vocal the 'vintage' crowd are about modern interpretations being all wrong, but you don't see anyone moaning that the F1 is no longer an F1 because it's not 35mm and not made of resin....
I liken the vintage crowd to the Porsche 911 purists, who feel that the old air cooled engine Porches are the only real 911s. I don't believe the F1 has ever developed that kind of passionate following (except for you and @Snowy), so not that many care enough to moan about it. I personally think the modern F1 is a better looking watch than the original from the 80s, but the 80s watch was more fun & unique in its day.
 
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Seeing it in the window, I didn't really get a 3000 vibe from it, more of a Link vibe. I think its the steel bezel...
The bezel is what gives off the 3000 vibe to me, at least in pictures. I hope to see one in person soon.

It doesn't have those S links, so not sure how you're getting a Link vibe.
 
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The bezel is what gives off the 3000 vibe to me, at least in pictures. I hope to see one in person soon.

It doesn't have those S links, so not sure how you're getting a Link vibe.

No, I totally agree with you about the bezel, it could have come straight off a steel 3000 (though they forget the black ball bearing do-dahs around the edge)... but what I meant was... the 3000 didn't come with a black dial (not in steel) the overall impression I got was a simple black dial and lots of steel, it just made me think of the Link.