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  1. blubarb

    blubarb May 24, 2022

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    Hi all.

    I am hoping you find this watch as interesting and intriguing as I have.

    Perhaps you might be able to add to the story approaching it from the Lemania cal. 1341 side of things. Maybe even narrowing the time frame within the broader 70s or early 80s.

    As you see it is stamped 9801-72 on the inside case back which I believe is a Lemania model reference and It is definitely powered by the Lemania 1341. The case is similar to the Heuer Montreal and the Lemania 1970s Auto-chrono cushion case.

    I have heard that that the Lemania serials 3.5xx.xxx date to around 1981/82, and if so, that would make some sense as that's when Lemania was in control of HEUER.

    I have been unable to find a similar Heuer production example, so I am beginning to think it may possibly be a some kind of Prototype (I hate that word as it is too often synonymous for Frankenwatch) by Lemania/Heuer c. 1982-83 that never saw production given the small window of ownership by Lemania.

    I don't believe it's an assembly of parts as the dial is unique, the case not so much and the Lemania is all present and accounted for. The Heuer dial and hands all appear authentic.

    The inside case back with the Lemania reference 9801-72 I would like to know more about and the serial might hold the key to pinning down the date somewhat.

    Any thoughts as to whether or not this serial number and the Lemania reference is an indication of the early 1980s?

    It has a had a little cleanup. The white inner tacky ring has replaced the original black one (which is in my possession).

    Thanks for reading and I look forward to your comments, fellow HEUER WIS. :D


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  2. imagwai

    imagwai May 24, 2022

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    Looks like a bit of a concoction. I think there are some genuine Heuer parts there. But that movement looks like it's had Heuer scrawled on it and isn't original. I think it's a franken watch unfortunately.
     
  3. blubarb

    blubarb May 24, 2022

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    Thanks for your comment.
    Have you ever seen a Heuer dial similar to this, @imagwai?
     
  4. blubarb

    blubarb May 24, 2022

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    A very poor photo from a distance making it look like it's the HEUER has been scratched on. Here is a pic I just took. When you see it under the loupe it is definitely imprinted as it should be.

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    What I do find of interest is that the Omega symbol and the imprint of the Ω1041on the base plate. I know that Omega used Lemania for their 861 movements but weren't they stamped Ω861?
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  5. imagwai

    imagwai May 24, 2022

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    OK, so I thought this was franken as I didn't really recognise it, although many elements look familiar. I noticed that in one of your photos, it's written "Heuer Cal 1040 chronograph" on the plastic bag the black tachy bezel is in. Well the 1040 was Omega's movement (basically an Omega version of the Lemania 1340). The rotor looks very similar to the Omega but of course with Heuer written on it instead. Of course the Omega shows a similar subdial layout to yours, but I also note the similarity of the handset (although your photos show two different styles in the before and after renovation photos - were they repainted?).
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    To answer your question, I've never seen a dial like yours on a Heuer before, or at least I don't think I have.
     
  6. imagwai

    imagwai May 24, 2022

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  7. blubarb

    blubarb May 25, 2022

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    thanks @imagwai that's helped me tie up some loose knots.

    "It's highly doubtful Heuer would have used an Omega-exclusive Lemania movement in their watches."

    Yep definitely a cal1041 plate is in there. I have solved that part of the mystery. I can now confirm that the movement is a Cal134. The base plate was replaced with a rhodium c.1401 plate. I have it now on hold for my pickup. So yes, you were correct in saying that it would be highly unlikely that Heuer would have used an Omega exclusive movement. Thanks for that clue.
     
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  8. imagwai

    imagwai May 25, 2022

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    I'm really no expert, but that article I linked has a really good comparison table of the different movements (1040 vs 1041 vs 1340 vs 1341). They're all related but there are some differences. Search the article for "Omega 1040 and 1041 vs. Lemania 1340 and 1341"
     
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