JesseLovesGrace
路So before 2004 Patek's chronographs were fashion watches?
I guess his point is that if you are able to produce in-house movements then you are one of the manufacturers and if you don't have the ability to design and produce and only buy movements from others(like Tiffany's watches, I assume? or CK, Gucci's watches), then you are one of the fashion brands
But to be honest, I think Citizen watches are kind of on the fashion side though all their movements are in-house, so it is probably very subjective to say what is what