OT: The struggles of McLaren-Honda

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Yes, it seems like it's all falling in to place now- Sainz to Renault, Honda to T.R and Renault to McLaren.

You'd think that Alonso will stay...not sure there is anywhere else for him to go.

Very smart by Red Bull- if the engine continues to be a dud, then no-one will really care that T.R is at the back of the grid, and if they do manage to get it working, then they just swap the supply over to the main team. There were reports that Honda was tipping $100m into McLaren for their F1 budget, so hope the McLaren marketing team are on their toes...
Yes, this is all starting to take shape. Whatever Alonso decides to do, I sure hope he has a chance to prove himself again, in order to retire with his head high.
 
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$100 will be a big hole in the budget to replace more so due their current form?
 
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Alonso, of course it's frustrating to see - similar feelings for Max but I don't blame it on the power unit there

would like to see Alonso happy in a competitive car - really thought Max would have been a regular on the podium

loving the tight points race for the championship between Lewis and Seb - Ferrari seems the fastest by a just a bit
 
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Alonso, of course it's frustrating to see - similar feelings for Max but I don't blame it on the power unit there

Some people are harder on the machinery than others. In the days of Hewland gearboxes it was said that one World Champion would regularly finish a race with ruined dog-rings but as long as the car finished nothing would be said about it. If the car didn't finish then plenty would be said. Another example, Graham Hill -- tyres last one race, Jim Clark on the same tyres they last four races.

loving the tight points race for the championship between Lewis and Seb - Ferrari seems the fastest by a just a bit

Singapore next. Tight and twisty seems to mean Ferrari....
 
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Yes, this is all starting to take shape. Whatever Alonso decides to do, I sure hope he has a chance to prove himself again, in order to retire with his head high.

Finally it happens! The divorce of McLaren and Honda should take place during the next days, Honda will go to Toro Rosso.
So Alonso can stay with McLaren!
 
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https://www.autoblog.com/2017/09/12...nally-call-it-quits/?hcid=ab-around-ab-tile-3
Surprise! McLaren and Honda finally call it quits
It's been coming for a long while, so it should surprise no one to learn that McLaren and Honda have finally called it quits. Sources confirmed to Motorsport.com and Sky Sports that the two companies have finally settled on a deal that will end a partnership that has been nothing but heartache and tears. McLaren has reportedly inked a three-year deal to use Renault engines, ending in 2020 along with the current engine regulations. This also means McLaren driver Fernando Alonso is likely to extend his contract beyond the end of this season.

When Honda first announced it was returning to F1 with McLaren, fans had visions of Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button reliving the glory days of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost in the late 1980s. The truth couldn't be further removed. At points, McLaren has struggled to make it the full race distance, much less win races and fight for championships. Frankly, it's been embarrassing for both Honda and McLaren. No one comes out a winner here. Honda has sullied any reputation it had in F1, while Alonso's talent and McLaren's engineering expertise were both wasted the past few seasons.

According to Motorsport.com, McLaren will get the same engine parity as the factory Renault Sport team as well as Red Bull Racing. Assuming that McLaren can provide a competitive chassis, that should vault it at least into the middle of the pack.

Team principal Zak Brown hasn't been quiet about his frustrations. After both McLaren drivers failed to finish in Italy, Brown told Sky Sports, "We need to get more competitive. This weekend showed we're not making any significant progress."

Meanwhile, Toro Rosso will switch from Renault to Honda power, with Toro Rosso driver Carlos Sainz Jr. making the move to Renault. What that means for Red Bull's junior team is unclear.
 
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Singapore next. Tight and twisty seems to mean Ferrari....

Well!
 
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Alonso had a great start. For a few seconds.
Fernando Alonso (DNF, Engine): "My start was brilliant. The car did an amazing launch and I managed to gain several positions, up to third place, but after that we were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I wasn't aware of what was happening on the inside, all I know is that at Turn One some cars crashed and hit us. In that situation, you are just a passenger, there's nothing you can do. Unfortunately, that hit was too much for our car. From the cockpit you don't understand how much damage there is, but the car didn't feel great, it had a lot of oversteer so I asked the team what was the damage but they were not completely sure because they'd lost the telemetry. At the end, we had some electrical problems and we had to stop."

He had been doing an outstanding job all weekend IMO. Shame that.

These driver/team quotes almost alternate between "great result" and "I'm unhappy":
http://www.grandprix.com/race/r970sunquotes.html
 
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I was thinking that Max might have a good race as he does great in the rain but oops big crash..
 
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I was thinking that Max might have a good race as he does great in the rain but oops big crash..

I was working in Nederland when his dad "Jos the Boss" made his F1 debut and the great excitement there, so I'm very pleased to see Max's progress. Shades of "Mad Ronald".

Seeing Ronnie through the old Woodcote was a heart in mouth moment, as was Senna at Paddock Hill Bend -- I thought he'd clear the fence and land on the M20!